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[–] einkorn@feddit.org 245 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Bluesky, the decentralized social network [...]

Were only one instance exist or did I miss something?

[–] InfiniteHench@lemmy.world 157 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

As I understand it, the protocol has the ability to decentralize built in. But the technical requirements are prohibitively high to the point only large businesses or corps could afford to do it. I also believe (someone correct me) the company hasn’t switched on the functionality yet.

[–] Drunemeton@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Last heard (a few months ago) the cost is in storage. The protocol isn’t too complicated now, but it generates a shit ton of data, and IIRC you need a minimum of 3 copies.

[–] mac@lemm.ee 22 points 1 week ago

Storage is cheap whwn it comes to webhosting and 3 replicas is honestly not much when it comes to enterprise standards. I think cloud storage providers like backblaze keep something like 9 copies of data across different mediums

[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

my mom has always told me that I had the potential to work at NASA. but the requirements are prohibitively high

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[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Nope, it's 100% centralized.

[–] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 week ago (7 children)

It's 100% centralized, but with the ability to be decentralized. Sorta like Threads before they started federating

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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 132 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Anyone who is surprised that BlueSky is going down the same path as Twitter (X, not withstanding) belongs on BlueSky.

[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago

I think a few more people "get it" every time the cycle repeats, but also, a sucker is born every minute.

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[–] emb@lemmy.world 131 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I do not see anything to be angry or disappointed about?

Verification badge was good, the dumb thing Twitter did was throw it away by letting anyone pay for it.

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[–] Mars2k21@sh.itjust.works 118 points 1 week ago (3 children)

idk man I haven't seen anyone complaining about it on Bluesky

This is a net positive, nice to have a social media where verification checks are...actually used for verifying the person behind an account

[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 week ago (9 children)

But isn’t the domain already doing that?

[–] nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 32 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The problem with domains is that regular people would need to know what a domain is and what verified ownership says about the account in question.

Even then, reading domains is quite difficult, even for people who know about the topic: Humans are Bad at URLs and Fonts Don’t Matter

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[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

If they are, and there isn't anything to display it, how are we to know what's been vetted and what's slipped through the cracks? Especially on a new account?

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[–] thekerker@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

I saw some small talk about it, and it really just boiled down to domain verification is great for more tech savvy folks, but trying to get larger accounts (think politicians, celebrities, etc) is a lot harder. Having a visual check, using tools within the app or site, is a lot easier.

And personally I like the idea of verification checks as long as it remains a simple means to do just that: verify the owner of the account. Morons like Musk and his ilk always thought it was a clout thing, and for a small minority that was probably the case, but by and large before he ruined it, it was great.

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 102 points 1 week ago (3 children)

So long as the checkmark isn't bought through some subscription service, I'm fine with this.

The whole reason why verification exists is because other will steal the name of someone famous and masquerade as them, with real world consequences. A verification system now means that certain platforms and people will get more attracted to be there, and thus Bluesky will grow.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Unfortunately, the forecast isn't good for the integrity of what should be a simple system. Under Dorsey, the Twitter blue checkmark had already become a tool for showing content approval by Twitter. In various instances users had their status removed based on their content and not on a question of if they were who they claimed to be.

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 81 points 1 week ago

The fuck did anyone expect?

[–] Pirata@lemm.ee 65 points 1 week ago

This was always bait to keep people using corporate social media instead of decentralizing. I am not sorry for the users one bit.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 63 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I don’t see anything controversial in the article. Did I miss something? Just looks like a way to make sure the public figures and companies you are communicating with are who they say they are.

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I think the existing domain-based verification system is a better way of doing that. Something like Mastodon's verified links might be a nice addition. This more centralized system is... not what I hoped for.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I didn’t sound like a centralized system from the article. More like they want a third party like Verisign or something.

Something will have to be done as these platforms become more popular to cut down on fraud and disinformation. You don’t want people impersonating other people or organizations, or companies. Even if Bluesky starts federating to other platforms, just knowing that they have a blue sky blue check would be an improvement if you could display that check on other clients like mastodon posts.

ICANN has already made a mess of domain names so I don’t know if relying on the domain is enough. People are using non-Roman characters to trick people into thinking a website domain is the real thing. Others are buying up all these random domains so you get things like medicare.net and medicare.org and medicare.com etc etc.

I dunno what the answer is. Just rambling out loud in frustration.

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[–] Wimster@lemmy.wtf 58 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Bluesky is the new X. After canceling the accounts of Turkish protesters this is the next step for the big money behind Bluesky. That’s why I deleted my account a few days ago.

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[–] ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 50 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Tbh I've seen more people asking for this than the people complaining.

[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There's been a lot of impersonated accounts popping up lately, so it doesn't surprise me they've opted to do something like this.

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Oh yeah, they are literally everywhere. And a lot of them are impersonating people that haven't switched from Twitter yet to take advantage of it specifically.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 46 points 6 days ago

I can't believe the guy who originally administered the creation of Twitter would do all the exact same things that originally made him billions of dollars selling the company to Elon Musk.

There's no way he's just speed-running what he did last time in hopes of another $44B buyout.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 40 points 6 days ago (10 children)

Something like this unavoidable.

Example, ted cruz the car mechanic in marfa Texas has just has much right to use blusky as ~~professional shit bag~~ senator ted cruz. But hiw do tell the real one from the racid sack of weasels.

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[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 36 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No one disliked the check mark before "Genghis Kunt" started selling it

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[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 31 points 1 week ago

This shitshow sounds familiar.

[–] Dsklnsadog@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 week ago

Decentralized, yeah sure!

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To quote my well known journalist friend after switching from twitter "what's that? Oh, that open source stuff? Hahaha nah bruh, mastodon is silly"

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 30 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Reminds me of a meeting my co-worker and I had with the IT staff of a company that is a customer using research instruments in our facility. The meeting was to ask us to enable data synchronization through SharePoint. (We're a Linux shop.) We asked what the issue was with getting their data files with SFTP. They said, "It's open source."

Then, a few beats of silence as it sinks in for us that there is no next step in the chain of logic. That is the totality of their objection.

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[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 26 points 6 days ago (3 children)

The checkmark is the wrong approach. You should never trust accounts, because accounts get hacked. We should instead use cryptographic signatures on individual posts, and clients can warn when that signature doesn't match the account's public key, or if that key changed recently. The private key would never live on the server, and ideally live outside the app.

This doesn't verify identity, it just proves the key didn't change. To establish identity, the person needs to use the same key in multiple places, such as posting it on a personal website or something. If a service wants to add their own stamp of approval, they can sign these public keys and embed them into the apl for clients to use (e.g. show a blue checkmark if Bluesky can verify the public key outside its system).

If the private key is compromised, repeat the process, potentially signing the new key with both the old and new key to prove control of both (or start from scratch if needed). Repeat whenever they get hacked.

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[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 26 points 6 days ago (5 children)

ARE WE LEARNING HOW "SOCIAL MEDIA" WORKS YET HUMANITY?

Seriously. How many more fucking times do we need to go around this goddamn merry go round until we just start calling each other on the phone and meeting face to face again. You know, where the only enshittification is the one you bring with you. It's fucking boring me now, how many of these stupid ass things I didn't join because I've already, apparently, gotten the memo and how, inevitably, something like this happens, and everyone acts surprised and disappointed , as though inevitability was a concept they felt they'd been given a sabbatical from or something.

This. Shit. Ain't. Free. There is an inherent cost, an "effort" required to communicate with others. You pay it with money, time or privacy. The overwhelming choice lately has been "privacy", but it's obviously something that not everyone is comfortable with, because we didn't have the term "enshittification" before we started this flavor of our collective idiocy.

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[–] sunglocto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 6 days ago

Preaching to the choir

But anyway anyone who thinks bluesky is actually decentralised will learn sooner rather than later that that's not the case

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How does bluesky make money?

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Right now, venture capital investments - same as all tech starts out.

How it'll monetize to become self-sufficient remains to be seen.

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

same way twitter made money.

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[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] vodkasolution@feddit.it 15 points 6 days ago (7 children)

you don't kill a cow for a scratch on her leg (I hope the saying is understandable for everybody since it doesn't come from English).
I'm on mastodon and bluesky: the first is even less populated than here and a big part of the interesting content comes from bot reposting popular accounts from x or reddit, while the second is far from being THE solution but it's nowadays a -not wildly populated- compromise. I don't condone (while I understand) the Turkish bans and I'm not interested in a verification system: if I'd like one, I'd use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIDAS.
I hope bluesky will correct its approach for what they can (the "good old" twitterin the golden era was banned in Turkey)

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[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

I've seen this movie before.

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