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US citizen wrongfully arrested by border patrol in Arizona held for nearly 10 days
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I’m not American so it’s kinda legitimate question.
Are there any good people working for ICE? Or is being an abusive racist cunt part of the requirement?
(I guess there are probably nice normal peoples working there but they are probably too afraid to stand up)
Edit: Wow, I didn’t meant to start such a heated debate. It’s just that from an EU perspective, you have tons of law enforcement from county to federal level, plus the military. But it’s always ICE that you can see doing the awful shit to other human beings. You don’t hear about ATF detaining a kid while showing him rape video of his mother (it did not happen, yet), it has to be ICE, it’s always ICE. Hence the question, what’s the difference between ICE employees and ATF/FBI/local PD/whatever employees?
There are no good people in ICE. It doesn't matter how they present themselves outside of work, they're all Fascist class traitors willingly upholding and legitimizing a Fascist regime, detaining and deporting citizens and immigrants alike ILLEGALLY, and filling the role of the Gestapo from Fascist Germany. Being abusive, racist, and a bastard probably isn't mandatory for the role, but it's the overwhelming majority of people who work there.
Do not pity or feel sorry for them, they'd kill you if they could get away with it.
Boy, I sure do hate ICE right now so this is hard to do but you’re saying if someone works for ICE they are, by that fact alone, a bad person?
That’s an awful lot like forgoing due process and determining someone’s “guilt” because you said so.
I’m pretty disgusted at those who don’t have the integrity to do what’s right, to take a stand to the unlawful and immoral orders they’re being given. I wouldn’t blame anyone who used any amount of force e to defend themselves from ICE at this point since they have no reason to believe that their rights or due process will be respected and it may be their life on the line.
Respectfully, though, I think you’re wrong to paint with such a broad brush. Life can be easier to deal with in such stark black and white terms but it’s never that simple.
If your job is to put people in concentration camps
Yes
You are a bad person
Nazis were also just following order, but these dudes have the option to quit. They aren't. Theyre still taking away people's constitutional rights. Theyre still doing all of it. They can spend their weekend working at a homeless kitchen and go to church. Theyre still sending people to die in an over stuffed prison for the crime of not being white.
Edit: lol Of course youre using the "Well its not a poltical party in Germany in the 1930s so they cant be Nazis."
Bro, just say you give the zieg heil and you love whats happening
I don’t disagree with anything you wrote until your edit.
I find your edit offensive and I am reporting your comment as I don’t really appreciate the implication that I am a Nazi or would give a zieg heil salute.
I won’t be dragged into a straw man argument by someone trying to get me to justify Nazis. I also won’t be baited with a false equivalence question like what is the difference between Nazis and ICE. That’s why I gave the definition answers.
I guess I don’t have the purity of all the other Lemmings here to be such an absolutist.
You could say there's "some very fine people" that work there and it'd be accurate.
I find it offensive that we have people being thrown in concentration camps, you defend them, and then try play games to distance them.
But if youre. Ot an avsolutist against Nazis, then yes, to me, youre a Nazi. 10 people at a table and 1 of them is a Nazi, you have 10 Nazis.
I haven't defended them. I disagreed with OPs broad generalization and offered an explanation and an example as to why. You may not like or understand why, but there is a distinct difference between defending a person or people who knowingly and willfully violate someones rights under the US Constitution and the law and recognizing that a person is not inherently bad simply because they have a job at an organization.
Let me be absolutely clear: calling me a Nazi is not only wildly inaccurate, it is deeply offensive and unacceptable. That term carries the weight of real historical atrocities — genocide, totalitarianism, and hatred — and to throw it around so carelessly shows a staggering lack of respect for history and the people who suffered under that regime.
Disagreement or difference of opinion is not justification for slander. If you have a criticism, make it with integrity and truth — not with baseless, inflammatory accusations. This kind of rhetoric doesn’t win arguments; it poisons them. So unless you have something factual and meaningful to say, I suggest you stop cheapening serious words and start behaving like an adult.