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The Qur'an. It seems to assume the Bible is true and a real revelation and that it is a biblical commentary, despite clearly contradicting it in numerous places. It makes sense in the context that it came from an illiterate Bedouin paedophile from the 600s
The Bible contradicts itself in multiple places, so that's keeping up with the theme.
No it doesn't
Answer me these citing the bible verse you're using to justify your answer:
Depends on the respect of the Sabbath. During the time of Jesus, the Pharisees got extremely legalistic.
Matthew 12:1-8
Here they were plucking to eat, not to work. It is worth noting later on that Christians moved Sabbath to Sunday from the previous Saturday. So in the way it previously was kept? No. But rest is important. In terms of the law:
Matthew 22:36-40
By this, the law was fulfilled and the legalistic framework was abolished. The law is based on these.
It comes to a head in the Jerusalem council when gentiles were exempt from the majority of Jewish laws, apart from taking part in idol sacrifices (or food sacrificed to idols) and eating blood. Although some would say the latter is more about canon law and hygiene within that church which is no longer operating, in comparison to being a sin, but that's another topic. At it's strictest, that is it. I won't paste the whole Jerusalem Council here, but it's in Acts 15.
By "neutral" I'll take that to mean "non religious but I don't hate you." Then he's against.
Mark 9:38-41
This is the context I assume you're talking about. As you can see, the person in the example here wasn't literally following the disciples in terms of their journey and mission, but still accepted Jesus as the Messiah. So that person was a Christian. Think of like a layperson - not in ministry, maybe even part of a different Christian Church. They aren't against Christ. Jesus gave an example that even if the only interaction His disciples have with someone is that they give one of them water because they are a disciple, they won't lose their reward because they didn't drop everything to travel with Him like they all did.
3:
2 Samuel 24:1 ESV
In this context, God doesn't tempt. Some translations translate "he" as "it" as in the hebrew it's not as determinative as it is in English. We know this from later on:
2 Samuel 24:10
So David knew what he did was wrong already - so it couldn't have been a command from God. So with Context, the writer clearly didn't mean that God commanded David to take census. This is backed up by 1 Chronicles 21:1
So it was clearly Satan. It would have been a job-like scenario where God loosens His protection for a moment.
1 Chronicles 21:4-6
2 Samuel 24:8-9
2 Samuel shows the actual sum given to the King. 1 Chronicles shows the actual sum taken and explains the discrepancy by saying Levi and Benjamin weren't included
At times Jesus was silent when given trap questions. Other times He spoke. He didn't really argue that much, moreso just exposed the hypocrisy of the sham trial.
God cannot change.
Malachi 3:6
Hebrews 13:8-9
James 1:17
He can make concessions for a time but He doesn't change.
Yes and no. It's not the same as human jealousy/covetness. God's jealousy is based on pure perfect passion, care and love. Human jealousy is generally based on materialism, popularity, etc.
Exodus 20:5-6, 17
No. But He can allow Satan to tempt people.
James 1:13-15
Job 1:7-12
God Himself was tempted. He made Himself vulnerable to it. Jesus was led into temptation's path by the Holy Spirit for this test, but He wasn't tempted by God. Just less protected. Although Jesus, being God Himself didn't give into the temptation, unlike David.
Matthew 4:1-3
Sabbath
You seem to think the bible says the Sabbath need not be kept because of the new covenant, however Matthew 5:17-18 contradicts that view, because Jesus says that the law hasn't changed. Also if you read carefully you will notice that even in some passages where he's critic of Sabbath, it is directed at the way people do it, and not the act itself.
Neutral person
You're missreading what you quoted. Regarding Jesus a person can be in one of 3 states, for, against or neutral. Your quote says
Meaning neutral counts as counts as for, therefore Jesus is not against like you claimed. If you would like to keep arguing he's against then quote Matthew 12:30 which is the exact opposite, i.e.
Who asked for the Census
You can't quote something that literally says God told David to number people and claim that's not what it means. He didn't tempt, there's no ambiguity he said "Go number Israel".
numbers
Again, you're fidgeting meaning, when someone says the sum is X but I didn't included Y they mean that the actual number is larger than what he said. You're shoe fitting an explanation to try to make it fit.
Jesus v Pilates
And yet in John 18:33 he's very chatty, and always replies.
can God change
And yet, several times in the bible he regrets what he did, which is only possible by a creature capable of change. Regret means that he would do it differently now, so for example in 1 Samuel 15:10-11 when he said he regrets having made Saul King he means he wouldn't do it now, therefore he has changed.
Also since you quoted something that also tells that Jesus can't change, then he can't be tempted nor die, since that requires change. Therefore Satan never had a chance to tempt him in the mountain, which makes it pointless, also he didn't die when crucified which is a problem to the whole Christianity idea.
Jealousy
Like you quoted God is jealous, but also jealousy is a sin, and God can't be near sin, so he can't be near himself. You can't claim he's a special kind of jealous, jealousy as a whole is listed as an obvious sin in Galatians 5:20, there's no "except when Jealousy is based on passion"
Temptation
But also he tests followers, for example Abraham. Those being tested can obey or not, not obeying god is a sin, therefore asking someone to do something they don't want is tempting them to sin.
Basically what I said. It's not kept as the pharisees kept it, the Lord was critical of that.
You kind of just proved my point. Jesus re-iterates those who aren't against Him is for him but also those who aren't for Him is against Him. This proves the fact that you cannot be neutral towards Jesus, only for or against. Again, you need to read it in context. The person in this case who wasn't "for" was still a believer, he just wasn't one of the twelve/travelling companions. No issue here.
There is ambiguity. You're forgetting this document wasn't written in english. The Hebrew isn't entirely clear over what incited them. The language used is more so God permitted them to be incited than God literally inciting it. If God incited it, then why would a few sentences later He be mad?
Again, you're making assumptions with the way you write things. It doesn't say whether or not it includes them. We can conclude they do because of the differing numbers where one is less than. So it must have included them.
It doesn't say there wasn't a time when He wasn't silent. It's just not documented when He was. You're making an argument from silence.
In English. The Bible wasn't written in English. The word נָחַם can also translate to "Naham" or mean "was grieved" or "felt pity".
As I said, they are different kinds of jealousy. One is covetesness, one is divine. This is referring to the human jealousy not based on care, but on materialism. Same reason why it wouldn't be sinful to be upset that your spouse left you for someone else, even though that's technically jealousy. (Which is more like the scenario God was describing in Exodus 20)
No it isn't. Abraham obeyed God and it was counted to him as righteousness.
Lmao. You’re not serious.
I have yet to find one "contradiction" that actually holds any water. Usually it boils down to one writer describing angels as men while the other describes them as angels, or another writer mentioning details that another didn't. If anything, it shows a lack of corroboration which makes them more reliable, especially between John and the Synoptics. There's nothing that's actually contradictory
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There is no god and religion is a mental illness.
Oh wow, this is it, the killer argument! 🤣
Most of the Qur'an is about law or in other words the Sharia
Uh, I'm pretty sure the Qur'an is pretty explicit in naming the Bible and Torah as corrupted text that was modified with intent to change the meaning and resultant laws.
I mean its entire basis is that it has remained unchanged ever since it was revealed, hence there are no versions/revisions like the Bible.
No, it's not. In fact, on this hill the Qur'an falls apart.
The Qur'an doesn't ever mention the Bible and the Torah as corrupted.
Surah 5:47
(This assumes we still have said Gospel)
Surah 5:66
So there are good Gospel followers about - meaning they must have the Gospel. So we know the Gospel existed in Mohammed's time uncorrupted. Thankfully, we still know what the Bible looked like back then. And it is essentially the same as what we have now.
Surah 3:3-4
So the Torah and Gospel are both revelations from allah. And they are thus the word of allah.
Surah 6:34
Surah 6:115
Surah 10:64
So the words of allah, such as the Gospel cannot be corrupted. So if the Gospel was corrupted, Islam is false. If the Gospel wasn't corrupted then it doesn't "confirm" the Qur'an at all, so Islam is false. This is the Islamic Dilemma.
Interestingly enough, the Hadith records that the Qur'an was changed:
Sahih Muslim Book 4, Hadith Number 1787.
SAHIH MUSLIM BOOK 4. PRAYER
Chapter : Excellence of one who acts upon (the teachings of the) Qur’an and one who teaches it.
https://hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/sahih-muslim-book-04-prayer/sahih-muslim-book-004-hadith-number-1787
Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 41, Hadith Number 601.
SAHIH BUKHARI BOOK 41. LOANS, PAYMENT OF LOANS, FREEZING OF PROPERTY, BANKRUPTCY.
https://hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/sahih-bukhari-book-41-loans-payment-of-loans-freezing-of-property-bankruptcy/sahih-bukhari-volume-003-book-041-hadith-number-601
I mean its literally right at the beginning in Surah 2:75 and 2:79, which is why I remember:
Is such a weird argument that makes no sense from what you just provided. AFAIK the quote you gave is talking about "words of Allah", which indicates his power and decree, ie everything that happens is because of him, and it will happen. Nowhere does it imply that his revelation cannot be altered by humans.
I would talk about the Qur'an also explicitly stating about its superceded position, but you quoted your first quote wrong:
Surah 4:57 is:
So I'm not really sure which quote you meant to use.
As for the 7 versions, those were specific subdialects on how the pronunciation slightly changed that you can still find today but no one uses since they decided to standardize on one when writing it during the first caliphate iirc.
It says "after they had understood it" and doesn't imply writing.
This is backed by 2:74
It seems to be referring to present tense. It goes on:
2:75
So, a group of them corrupted it. Only a group would corrupt their beliefs.
2:89 goes on to make it clear they still had the scripture "in their hands"
In addition, the Qur'an does ask it's followers to check with Christians on if it's true or not.
Surah 10:94
I also apologise for my typo. I meant 5:47, not 4:57 and have amended it