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[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Sabbath

You seem to think the bible says the Sabbath need not be kept because of the new covenant, however Matthew 5:17-18 contradicts that view, because Jesus says that the law hasn't changed. Also if you read carefully you will notice that even in some passages where he's critic of Sabbath, it is directed at the way people do it, and not the act itself.

Neutral person

You're missreading what you quoted. Regarding Jesus a person can be in one of 3 states, for, against or neutral. Your quote says

For the one who is not against us is for us.

Meaning neutral counts as counts as for, therefore Jesus is not against like you claimed. If you would like to keep arguing he's against then quote Matthew 12:30 which is the exact opposite, i.e.

He who is not with Me is against Me

Who asked for the Census

You can't quote something that literally says God told David to number people and claim that's not what it means. He didn't tempt, there's no ambiguity he said "Go number Israel".

numbers

Again, you're fidgeting meaning, when someone says the sum is X but I didn't included Y they mean that the actual number is larger than what he said. You're shoe fitting an explanation to try to make it fit.

Jesus v Pilates

And yet in John 18:33 he's very chatty, and always replies.

can God change

And yet, several times in the bible he regrets what he did, which is only possible by a creature capable of change. Regret means that he would do it differently now, so for example in 1 Samuel 15:10-11 when he said he regrets having made Saul King he means he wouldn't do it now, therefore he has changed.

Also since you quoted something that also tells that Jesus can't change, then he can't be tempted nor die, since that requires change. Therefore Satan never had a chance to tempt him in the mountain, which makes it pointless, also he didn't die when crucified which is a problem to the whole Christianity idea.

Jealousy

Like you quoted God is jealous, but also jealousy is a sin, and God can't be near sin, so he can't be near himself. You can't claim he's a special kind of jealous, jealousy as a whole is listed as an obvious sin in Galatians 5:20, there's no "except when Jealousy is based on passion"

Temptation

But also he tests followers, for example Abraham. Those being tested can obey or not, not obeying god is a sin, therefore asking someone to do something they don't want is tempting them to sin.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 9 hours ago
  1. Basically what I said. It's not kept as the pharisees kept it, the Lord was critical of that.

  2. You kind of just proved my point. Jesus re-iterates those who aren't against Him is for him but also those who aren't for Him is against Him. This proves the fact that you cannot be neutral towards Jesus, only for or against. Again, you need to read it in context. The person in this case who wasn't "for" was still a believer, he just wasn't one of the twelve/travelling companions. No issue here.

  3. There is ambiguity. You're forgetting this document wasn't written in english. The Hebrew isn't entirely clear over what incited them. The language used is more so God permitted them to be incited than God literally inciting it. If God incited it, then why would a few sentences later He be mad?

  4. Again, you're making assumptions with the way you write things. It doesn't say whether or not it includes them. We can conclude they do because of the differing numbers where one is less than. So it must have included them.

  5. It doesn't say there wasn't a time when He wasn't silent. It's just not documented when He was. You're making an argument from silence.

Regret means that he would do it differently now,

In English. The Bible wasn't written in English. The word נָחַם can also translate to "Naham" or mean "was grieved" or "felt pity".

As I said, they are different kinds of jealousy. One is covetesness, one is divine. This is referring to the human jealousy not based on care, but on materialism. Same reason why it wouldn't be sinful to be upset that your spouse left you for someone else, even though that's technically jealousy. (Which is more like the scenario God was describing in Exodus 20)

therefore asking someone to do something they don't want is tempting them to sin.

No it isn't. Abraham obeyed God and it was counted to him as righteousness.