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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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[–] dariusj18@lemmy.world 139 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (5 children)

Yeah, at impulse they would still want the deflector shields, but at warp they can only remain faster than light due to power creating the warp bubble/field. Like a rubber band, you need to constantly exert force to repell the elastic forces.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 17 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

So what you're saying is, we need more rubber bands

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[–] cholesterol@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Like a rubber band

A true Trekkie

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[–] x4740N@lemmy.world 103 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

Pretty sure the warp drives need continuous power to contract space in front of the ship and expand it behind the ship to allow faster than light travel

The ship isn't actually moving during faster than light travel, it just bends space around it

They can only move at impulse speed without engine output due to their being no friction and gravity in space

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 27 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Even when the impulse drives are down, the ship always just stops 🤷‍♂️

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 11 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

My favorite bit is how when life support goes offline, it's like they're running out of oxygen within seconds. I once saw the math referencing the actual canon dimensions of the Enterprise D and its canon crew complement. It's comically large for the number of people in it. You could shut off all the CO2 scrubbers in a space that cavernous, and it would be months before the crew began noticing any ill effects. The Enterprises are god-damn ginormous.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 11 hours ago

The Enterprises are god-damn ginormous.

It's all those bowling alleys and home theatres they installed in the lower decks.

[–] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I recently saw a DS9 episode where O'Brien said life support is down and it's going to be a problem in a day or sth, was pleasantly surprised at that.

Might still not be accurate, but at least it was not a "oh shit we'll die now" kind of thing.

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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

It's the Vulcans. They actually respirate at 1000x the rate of humans. It's how they remain emotionless. They are too focused on breathing to get angry. The massive compression necessary to breathe that much is actually how they are constantly so full of hot air. They don't actually need to breathe that much to survive, but they are just too proud to give it up even in an emergency situation. It's all a weird power play. 🖖

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Did you steal this from Dr mccoy's Facebook?

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

Oh I'm sorry, is a ship's head medical officer with decades of experience treating a dozen or more species of crewmen and guests not a good enough source for you? Don't let those pointy eared bastards fool you. They're devious.

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[–] 18107@aussie.zone 10 points 16 hours ago (5 children)

I think they might actually be in fluidic space and just really unobservant.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 points 16 hours ago

"It's like flying through soup, sir!"

"Mmm... Soup... 🤤"

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[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 9 points 15 hours ago

Except when they go into orbit and then things work as expected.

[–] BB84@mander.xyz 5 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (4 children)

There is definitely gravity in space! It just doesn't feel that way because there's no ground so you're mostly in free fall which to you is indistinguishable from being in no gravity. (fun fact: this indistinguishability is actually the crux of General Relativity!)

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[–] marcos@lemmy.world 55 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

In every ST series, they only ever say that in warp. And nobody has no idea how warp works.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 18 points 18 hours ago (6 children)

I just know if you go faster than Warp 9 you're fucked

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 27 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Warp 10. The Enterprise C regularly surpassed 9.5.

[–] teft@piefed.social 31 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The D. We only saw The C once. That was the ship Tasha went to with Shooter McGavin.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 10 points 16 hours ago

IIRC the in universe reason for the E’s long ass nacelles was to allow it to achieve 9.95. I am pretty sure I remember part of the expanded universe going into experimental refits of the USS Sovereign that allowed it to hit 9.995.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (9 children)

Didn't rikers enterprise go to warp 13?

[–] aarRJaay@lemmy.world 19 points 16 hours ago

Rikers enterprise went to Warp 69

[–] waterore@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago

It did, but it also attacked the klingons from below rather than the standard head on so we know they writers were all high when they wrote that!

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[–] marcos@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

Well, at minimum, fucking seems to be involved.

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[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 10 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

But for some reason they keep dropping out of orbit around planets.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

What else were they orbiting?

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Stars, crystaline entities,...

[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 4 points 15 hours ago

Lady streamers at twitchcon

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 52 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Not quite. The warp drive doesn't actually provide any thrust, its purpose is to create the warp bubble and then "squish" the space in front of the starship.

Thus the "warp engines" do actually need to get constantly fed energy in order to work. Feed more energy equals get more squish equals go faster.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago

It doesn't the ship through the universe, but the universe around it!

[–] presoak@lazysoci.al 40 points 16 hours ago

It's a different kind of space. They're going faster than light.

[–] MattW03@lemmy.ca 35 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

It depends. Impulse engine? Sure. Warp? Nope. Also, you need shielding.

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[–] teft@piefed.social 24 points 18 hours ago

Scotty knows that conservation of momentum actually doesn't happen over long distances in an expanding universe. Eventually you'll stop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcjdwSY2AzM

But also you need a warp drive to maintain warp. As soon as you turn it off or damage the nacelles you're kicked out of the warp bubble. This happened in Into Darkness.

[–] Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world 18 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

This is something that always bothered me when watching some sci-fi space shows. A space walk occurs, but there is only so much thrust that can be used. Once the thrust stops, the person stops.

Thats.....not how vacuums work.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 15 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

What bothers me more is the crappy placement of these dialog bubbles. The order of them makes you read Kirk's dialog first.

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[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

This sort of thing is really common in video games where you're able to move in zero G.

In the few games that have accurate zero G movement people get really confused. They'll hold a movement key the entire way to a destination then smack into it because they didn't realize they'd have to hold the opposite key for an equal amount of time to stop. Or they'll fly a certain distance like that, then want to make a 90° turn, only to keep careening off in the direction of their initial travel with a slight bend to it.

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[–] Draegur@lemmy.zip 14 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Another consideration outside of the warp field maintenance is how incredibly destructive a collision with even nanograms of mass can be at relativistic velocities and shielding against those takes a lot of power itself

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I always thought that's exactly what the deflector dish was for. is this not the case?

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

i believe they’re saying that the deflector shield requires constant power, so that’s part of why the engine is required while moving rather than just while accelerating

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 13 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

For the curious, OA has a pretty extensive, physically plausible theoretical writeups on warp bubbles:

https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/493f29cc472f0

They’re the STL kind, but still, they do seem to require power.

AFIAIK the impulse drives are sub relativistic in Star Trek, right? Or maybe they aren’t, but that seems.

[–] invertedspear@lemmy.zip 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

They’re specifically soft when it comes using impulse vs warp for both subliminal and superliminal speeds. It’s whatever the writers needed at the time. It makes sense that they can use warp to go almost any speed, but it’s a whole lot of power to warp space just to cruise around a solar system. I think there was at least one episode of TNG where they went light speed or close to it with impulse, but I may be misremembering, I just remember thinking that’s not how their own science works.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

ST doesn’t seem to respect relatively anyway, so I guess it doesn’t matter, heh. The physics are different.

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[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 12 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

nah, thats movement relative to space time, warp suggests bending said space time in order to, relative to your destination, move faster than light, while essentially staying motionless in spacetime.

In this paradigm inertia is very much not a thing

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

Thank you. I read this thinking “yeah this is not simple Newtonian motion”.

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 18 hours ago

Maybe it has something to do with active debris absorption 🤔

[–] kbal@fedia.io 6 points 18 hours ago (12 children)

I am insufficiently versed in Star Trek to know whether there's a known reason why that isn't true at warp speed.

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 12 points 17 hours ago

I'm not an expert, but I believe warp speed is theoretically achieved by warping two points in space so they're closer together, then traversing them, and releasing the warp (which allows FTL travel). So you would definitely need continuous power to maintain that.

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