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[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 231 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Bruh, for most of the US the US is a malign actor.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 55 points 1 day ago

For most of the world, capital is a malign actor and the US has the highest concentration.

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

Unironically

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No no, just keep chanting "USA! Number one!" more often again. That'll mend it. LOL. Or at least just give us all a good laugh at you. Always funny when you guys do that. Like "this is fine" wasn't strong enough.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 151 points 1 day ago (15 children)

The real shock to Americans will be when they discover this can't be fixed.

Americans want to believe that relations will return to normal once the democrats are back in power. But, they don't understand that the loss of trust in the US is permanent. Sure, if the democrats take back power and want to negotiate trade deals, other countries may sign them. They're just not going to believe that the US can be trusted to honour the terms of those trade deals, and will structure the deals accordingly. Trump's 2 terms show that a treaty signed by the US is meaningless, because a president like Trump can come along and just rip it up. They've also showed that support for someone Trump-like is close enough to 50% that it can easily happen again.

The momentum of international trade, and the vast power the US wields means that there won't be a sudden cutting off of the US. But, bit by bit, even former staunch allies are going to start slowly pivoting away from the US whenever possible no matter who's elected and how big a landslide it is.

[–] Catma@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trump has ripped up or tried to cancel deals he made in his first term. Why any nation would bother to negotiate with the US right now is beyond me. Nothing can be trusted from this administration or any one to come

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why any nation would bother to negotiate with the US right now is beyond me

It's because they don't really have a choice. If it were say, Australia, that had gone off the rails, they could just be ignored. But, the US is still such a central part of the world's economy, and there are so many important companies based out of the US, that it's not possible just to pull the plug. In addition, if countries didn't negotiate with Trump he might see it as a slight and send in the navy to interdict "drug boats" or something.

This also makes things look like they're better than they are. People see trade deals being negotiated and think "well, if that's happening, then things aren't that far gone. The reality is that countries used to negotiate trade deals with the US because, even when they felt they were being pressured to cave to US demands, they could at least count on the US to more-or-less honour the terms of the deal when it was done. I think countries are now dealing with the US because they have to, but they're really just going through the motions, not expecting that the result will actually be a binding agreement.

[–] BoycottTwitter@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

About nations not having a choice there is truth to that but I want to focus on something nations can do to. Study in particular which companies support Trump the most and work to find replacements for those. For example the fossil fuel industry is a significant backer of Trump and Republicans. This means countries who are rightfully upset about Trump and buy fossil fuels from the US should make switching to renewable energy a huge priority maybe even do it at cost or subsidize the transition. This means fossil fuel companies will have less money and less to give to Republicans.

Also for people who live in blue states contact your state politicians and demand a faster transition to renewables too.

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Americans do not take the situation seriously. They either think they have no power to personally fix it, so contributing to any effort is pointless, or that it's just more of the same politics as before and can't tell the difference. They are encouraged to stay out of the way because they are the only force that seems to be capable of stopping it at this point.

Once Trump and the GOP destroy the framework of power the constitution defines, there are no rules anymore, only power, and the constitution really does mean nothing. The relationship America built with the world since WW1 will be over and won't return as democratic nations can not remain interdependent with a fascist America. America will be another authoritarian regime using violence as the solution to every problem, including domestic problems. Those problems will only increase because an authoritarian leadership is functionally incapable of managing a non-authoritarian system. America will transition, painfully and violently, to a fascist state and the dream that was America will be dead. All at the hands of a TV show personality and the generations raised by TV, which is both sad and painfully American.

Edit: Not enough Americans...

[–] BoycottTwitter@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I take it seriously and I encourage anyone to know they have the power to make a difference. If you can find who's encouraging people to stay out of the way please let everyone here know so we can fight against those people.

Also you're right if Trump stays in power longer it will be very grim not just for the people in the US but also for the entire world because look at how Trump is terrorizing other countries. Look at how he's basically a slave to Putin and abandoning Ukraine. Look at how he's grabbing people on the streets. If we don't fight this will get worse.

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[–] Artisian@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At least in my circles, I think we're aware? People are looking real hard at ways to leave. We've also got a higher than usual chance of reforming/refurbishing some of those broken guard rails. Fingers crossed.

The folks supporting Trump, on the other hand, already believed that these relationships were dead and bad. They'll scapegoat somebody else for the decay; I do not see the avenue for this to be a learning experience.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm specifically talking about Americans thinking that the rest of the world will get over this. I think that trust has been broken.

Like you talk about broken guard rails. The US has been lecturing the world on how the US system of democracy is the best for decades now. There's always talk about how there's a system of checks and balances, and how US democracy can be messy, but in the end it's a system that works. I don't think anybody believes that anymore. The guard rails were always an illusion, and even if all of Trump's changes were rolled back, the rest of the world would know that the guard rails, and the checks and balances are all just an elaborate delusion.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They’re just not going to believe that the US can be trusted

Yup. The damage to the American brand is permanent, and that will become painfully clear when the post-tariff trade deals take effect within the next year and a half and trade routes itself around the US rather than through it.

The worst part is it won't affect Donald in any meaningful way, because his perception of reality is wedded to his algorithm and his wealth makes him untouchable.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Good. Obviously it was wrong to trust the US this entire time. It’s time to dismantle the post-WW2 American dominance over the world, and move toward a more multilateral future. This process feels scary and might be quite difficult, but it’s important and it’s time. No one country should be considered the world’s policeman or supreme authority. I just hope that everyone shaking their head at the US realizes that they can only sit there doing that for so long, because the very next thing they need to urgently do is step the fuck up into that leadership vacuum before dictators do.

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago (12 children)

If you only consider Europe most the world it would be true bit no the usa beem a malign actor for several decades

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (11 children)

I was gonna say, only now? I'm in the US and can see it's been a bad actor since at least the end of WW2.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Before WWII was also very bad

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Banana Republics come to mind. But during the time frame the US was doing that, Most of Europe was still doing their own colonialisms.

It was only when Hitler brought colonialism back to Europe that they started to wake up to how bad it was. Well, some of them. France and England had to start losing colonial wars, mostly due to losses suffered in due to WW2, before they slowly started freeing colonies.

Just shows that everyone is shit, and cheering for a team is kind of stupid.

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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I mean, the Marshall Plan was benevolent. USAID and similar may make us net beneficial to Africa.

Let's not talk about South America.

[–] demonsword@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

I mean, the Marshall Plan was benevolent.

No, it wasn't. It was meant to stop the URSS from expanding further west, and as a bonus shackle the rebuild countries as loyal lapdogs that attended to any and every USA whim.

USAID and similar may make us net beneficial to Africa.

Mostly posturing. If the USA were serious about benefitting Africa they'd do something similar to what China is doing right now, partnering and building infrastructure, instead merciless exploitation and throwing a few breadcrumbs here and there.

Let’s not talk about South America.

But we should. What the USA has done here can only be labelled as evil. Overthrowing governments left and right, supporting murderous dictatorships, merciless exploitation like what it did in Africa as well. Foul, evil stuff.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The Native Americans called about their genocide way before WWII.

I suspect when our founding fathers were blowing up and murdering their fellow colonists as seen in the Sons of Liberty they were bad actors.

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[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

The triumph of disinformation, greed, and self-centered ultraconservatism; a country about to implode.

[–] BoycottTwitter@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It could come to your country too unless you take action. I see so many other countries making the same mistakes we do here and it makes me so sad knowing that this could be their fate too unless they make different decisions.

The truth is I notice in Europe they too in my opinion haven't done enough to combat disinformation for sure they're better than we are but it's not enough.

What we need is for every child to be taught as much as possible about critical thinking, propaganda and disinformation. The quality of education children get is super important. In addition I believe emotional resilience must be taught in schools somehow.

Please for everyone reading this contact your politicians or your school board and demand more done to combat disinformation.

Also remember we are all in this together. Look at all the Trump copycats there are in the world. Look at how Trump learned from Hungary and Russia. Because they were not stopped in one country they feel safe doing it in another. We as people must support each other and stand up for each other when bad things are happening somewhere because when something bad happens to someone else it could one day be you it happens to.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It could come to your country too unless you take action.

I'm in a developing country already out of the shadow of a gun-toting jackass who nearly sold us out to China, no thanks to disinformation, and currently having to deal with politicians and businessmen ripping off the government in infrastructure money.

The US may soon have the hardest fall unless something drastic happens.

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[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 33 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Still the bad joke of the world here.

Biggest prison population, most "asset forfeiture", most chemically polluted "food" supply, paying the most for worst healthcare, relatively non-existent public transport, hegemonic oligarchy pretending to be democracy spreading democracy by "regime change", "education" system indoctrinating insularity and ignorance,

[Edit + these the LLM added for me because it's an exhausting list to manually write] mass shootings as a cultural pastime, student debt as a life sentence, "freedom" measured in gun ownership but not in healthcare access, military budget bigger than the next ten countries combined, "infrastructure week" as a recurring punchline, two-party system that’s just one party with two heads, "justice" system that’s a revolving door for the rich and a trapdoor for the poor, "American Dream" now just a subscription service with hidden fees, [Edit: and the list can go on for at least twice as long again yet.]

and a corporate monopoly media to bind peoples minds by.

... "land of the free", "USA number one!".

XD

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 32 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Speaking as an American I expect to be fucked by this for the rest of my life (and rightfully so) if one jackass getting put in office can fuck things up this badly we shouldn't be trusted as an ally or trade partner. There's a lot of work to be done to ensure this can't happen again and I don't believe it will ever happen. At least not anytime soon. We are at the peak (I hope) of the weakest of weak men times.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago

if one jackass getting put in office

Twice. TWICE!!

[–] n4ch1sm0@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A public display to the world, say like the Nuremberg Trials 2.0 for the Trump admin would be helpful.

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[–] BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network 25 points 22 hours ago

The US is a malign actor for the US as well. Our government has become a danger to our own citizens.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 22 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (4 children)

Conservatives have absolutely destroyed America's soft power. At least for an entire generation. They've made the rest of the world believe their shitstain childlike behavior is how all Americans act. This rapist president has made it clear to the rest of the world that agreements with the U.S. are worth no more than the paper they're written on.

These fucking knuckle draggers are weighing us down and will continue to do so after their rapist idol is dead and buried.

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 21 points 23 hours ago

They have always been. It's now just impossible to ignore.

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago

Not new, not even for Europe despite popular perception.

[–] amniote@lemmy.world 10 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Where I live we have square kilometers of american GI's that liberated europe. As a first in human history victors did not loot or rape. Instead they scrambled to be home by christmas. Europe is forever indebted to these men and the people that led them.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago

Yeh and 99.5% of them have since passed away, all that's left is grift riding on the coat tails of stolen valor.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Thanks to MAGA, the 1st World views the USA on the same level as Russia, China and their allies. The article is spot on in regard to the future.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

You could have had Jeb! but you got greedy.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Jeb! engineered the election manipulation scheme that got his idiot brother into the White House, where his administration's negligence, incompetence, and corruption led to the avoidable deaths of over 10,000 American citizens, and countless foreign nationals, as well as the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.

Jeb! belongs in prison with the rest of the traitors.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Jeb! should be in Prison!

[–] jeb@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

It should've been me. Please clap!

Ironically the idea of an alternate 2016 where Jeb! won the election is why I've used variations of the Jeb! username across platforms. Not saying Jeb! is any good, but lesser of two evils and all.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

No shit. Ostracize the hellhole.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

bin laden warned us!!! !!! !!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[–] demonsword@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

always-has-been.jpeg

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine ruining 250 years of a successful democracy so you can line you and your friends pockets with filthy lucre while having sex with tweens. That guy stands for nothing and most of america has lost it's ability to feel shame or have any empathy. Both human traits.

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 17 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

250 years of a successful democracy

Lmfao. Jim Crow was a successful democracy? Literal slave ownership before that? Invasion of Iraq was successful Democracy? Bombing of Vietnam?

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