I saved my self a bunch of times by convincing my self to not kill myself.

Does that count?

Only if I have a mirror.

Yea, you know Sir Alec Guinness (the actor that played Obi-Wan) has killed a few people. He wouldnt call WW2 his "best performance" if he didnt take a few baddies out.

This this this. It's basically impossible to get that rich without having endangered others.

When I was younger my grandmother died of cancer. She wanted to pass at home and we lived with her.

For months she just declined, until she was bed-bound in the living room, having carers and family members feed her, clean her after she pooped on herself, sometimes randomly screaming in pain, having nightmares, and was largely incoherent. In the last week she didn’t have the strength to eat and her doctors told us to just stop feeding her. She had a death rattle that lasted for days and echoed through the house every time she breathed, until finally something just gave out.
It was not dignified. It was not peaceful. It was deeply traumatizing. I wish we could cut her suffering short somehow – for us as much as her.

I was told that once the plug is pulled, it’s not just some flatline and quiet sadness. The human body, regardless of its condition, does not like being deprived of oxygen and spends some time physically revolting before finally giving in. Apparently it’s horrific, but I haven’t witnessed it myself.

That has to be one of the worst choices if you must go. I get that we don’t think straight in those moments of our life, but it’s such a horrible thing to force on someone and their conscience…

Not just trains, but all the instances where someone entirely unrelated will be dragged into something so heavy, like truck drivers, too. Hard to live with, can really ruin lives.

Another thing I don’t like is when others that aren’t trained for it like the paramedics or police, have to see the outcome and fallout, such as jumping off a building into a busy street, even at night when nobody’s there just now, but will be. Or hanging yourself from your balcony in an apartment complex.

It fucks up someone to see that, and I have to believe everyone could make the responsible choice of doing it in private or in a way that affects least amount of unrelated people possible. Like going with the helium/nitrogen bag, hanging within the bounds of one’s privacy, if shooting is the way to go, do it perhaps in the woods, somewhere peaceful and remote, and call the paramedics so they’ll be there before any innocent walkers-by, etc.

It’s bad that anyone has to be involved, but at least the professionals have the training to deal with that somehow, even if it will ultimately fuck them up too at least somehow. At least it’s a conscious choice for them to put themselves in the position that they might have to see shit like that. Same for police.

I would strongly encourage messless ways to go, too, because I think the psychological impact of a peacful-seeming exit without blood or injuries has to be the least damaging. It’s never going to be clean and harmless to others, but an exit bag would do a lot of good for everyone eventually involved in the situation.

But I also get that a lot of people in that position may harbor some general hatred and bitterness towards others, which is horrible and I have to think entirely avoidable if the society did its job, so they might even choose to go as publicly and messily as possible just to make a point or something.

But the others have to live with that shit. They keep going. You don’t. The least we can do is try to minimize the trauma and impact we necessarily inflict on others when we do go. We get the peace. We get away. Those others, not so much.

I don’t know how this would be taught other than boldly and empathetically talking about it in school, to make the point repeatedly, like we do with sex education for example. And health education too. We really should talk about these things, so when the time comes one has to leave, the spine reaction would be to do it as kindly as possible, to be considerate in the choice of manner.

the number of people who fall into this category through their use of stock LED headlights is non-zero

Yeah. I was thinking for the UK it’s highly unlikely a cop has killed someone here. We do follow America into war and I’ve got a few soldier friends who likely killed people, but our soldiers seem to talk about it less than American ones.

I've met two people who took their own lives.

My mom shot herself with her husbands gun.

My moms father shot himself with his rifle.

Had a buddy that couldn't take the pain anymore and he had enough drink and anxiety meds one night and he just never woke up.

He made sure to turn on his music extra loud so it'd bother his neighbors so his cat would be okay and would be rehomed.

He was a good guy.

I dunno, it takes a type.

Knew a guy online who was part of a game guild and regularly told a teenager to go kill himself for not healing him on time during raids.

One day the Kid shot himself.

The guy was a full on asshole in rl, much older than the kid, had a family and a job and told himself and everyone that he wasn’t at fault cuz the kid was not mentally stable.

Like dude, regardless of someone’s mental health he is a bully with an anger problem and leaned into unleashing it on a young kid.

I've always wondered what drives people to such confessions. Not a killing of course, but I once met a dude and like 20 minutes later he was telling me about the literal scams he pulls. Shit like stealing old people's passwords and whatnot to buy things for himself online. Very unambiguously illegal stuff. There was no context either, no lead up to that conversation. He just pulled the subject to that out of nowhere and started spilling the beans. One minute we were talking about wearing thinner gloves inside thicker gloves to keep our hands extra warm, and the next minute he was telling me how he tricks old people into submitting their email credentials into fake forms that he makes.