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[–] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 122 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (13 children)

"We have the money to fix the problem, we really just don't want to."

Everyone always says homelessness is a complicated issue due to addiction and mental health and then that's it. full stop. in many peoples heads those TWO groups are the ONLY groups that make up the homeless population. but after volunteering I know better. you have students, you have women escaping domestic abuse, you have the elderly who can no longer afford rent, you have kids who are LGBTQ+ that have been disowned by their families, you have refugees, and you have people who simply lost their jobs and fell through the cracks.

allowing students to sleep in their cars is not a solution. it's another band aid applied to a massive gaping wound. And this isn't just an America issue, several countries are guilty of band aid "solutions". I mean hell here in Canada the government is talking about investing $1billion into AI for fucks sake. That $1billion could be better served in providing people with homes. There's never any long term planning here, always short term "solutions". Wouldn't it be advantageous to governments to ensure people have homes in order to get them back into the workforce thus paying taxes.

Call me a heart on the sleeve soft liberal all you want but I'm of the firm belief that EVERYONE deserves and has the right to a home and food and if they can't provide either of those things for themselves than we as a society, as a community, need to provide it for them. And I firmly believe that the majority of our society feel the same and wouldn't mind their tax dollars going towards that. It's just that the powers that be don't want that.

[–] Fermion@mander.xyz 36 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (6 children)

One of the most humane solutions is also the most economically efficient. Early intervention programs like rent/utility assistance are significantly cheaper in the long run than trying to rehabilitate people who have already lost everything and have a litany of health issues because of it. If conservatives really want to save money, they should be embracing "an ounce of prevention saves a pound of cure." Instead, they're stuck in wanting to SEE the desperation before even considering helping. Safety nets are major economic stimulus in the long run because it's much easier to attempt entrepeneurship if you aren't making a life and death gamble. But something tells me the currently wealthy know this and don't want competition popping up.

Then of course we also need to fix affordability issues, because unaffordable necessities put everyone at risk.

My point is that even if you mostly just care about efficient government and economic growth, you should still come to similar conclusions as "bleeding heart liberals." Conservatives don't come to those conclusions not by economic arguments, but because they fail to see the merit of collective problem solving. They want to have their own little castle with all their stuff that they can defend under penalty of death. We pretend the argument is about feasability and cost effectiveness, but the real issue is that they don't think that any proposal that would take anything from them or require giving is an option. That's why you see the economically destitute and ultra wealthy in an unholy alliance. Both of those groups are prone to wanting to circle the wagons and consider only the wellbeing of people in their little circle -- the poor out of desperation, and the wealthy out of possessiveness. Everyone not in their little circle is someone else's problem.

[–] gws@programming.dev 7 points 8 hours ago

Even efficiency takes a back seat to the[ir] real top priority: Hurting the right people and being seen to do so.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago

It's not a solution, but as someone who slept in her car in a college parking lot because her father got pissed at her being around his house while queer, it's better than we'd had. I was afraid I would get in trouble for sleeping like that. Mind you, the main reason I couldn't sleep that night was that it was really fucking cold and it's really hard to sleep in a car.

Housing first is the best solution, but we also need humane solutions for short term homelessness. The "I left in the middle of the night and need a few days to get my bearings because things could go any humber of ways" type stuff. Shelters are so intimidating and have a reputation for being hostile to those that need them.

My college had a food bank, and as I think of this, they really could've had a shelter for students as well. Just a few dorm rooms done simple with literature on resources where if you need to stay there a few days you can. Instead I wasn't allowed to sleep on a student's couch for more than two consecutive nights.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 7 points 5 hours ago

That last paragraph hits really close to home for me. I'm like super privileged currently, but have been homeless while I was going to college. Sleeping in my car or any friend who would let me crash on their couch or closet floor. It really sucks and it's taxing physically & mentally.

Like a small jail cell would've been preferable to my car on cold nights. And yet I see so many people that have never experienced it properly claim that people need to earn it to feel better about themselves. Like fucking no they don't Trevor! Tell you what, you go try and sleep in the cold for a few nights and tell me how productive you are the next day!

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[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 57 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

See? We can have a society in which some people have 10 homes and some have none.

"#BothSides"

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 15 points 10 hours ago

10 homes that are each 100 times larger than the average home.

FTFY

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 39 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

“Orphan-crushing Machine”

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[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 36 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

WHY are Less people Going to College?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 14 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

College costs are ridiculous.

Student loans are extortionate.

The ROI on the investment is shitty. IOW you get an expensive degree for a job field that doesn’t pay enough to pay for the degree and living expenses.

There’s a big social media anti-college push. Don’t know whether that’s politically motivated/propaganda, just get rich being a tiktokker or something, or a combination of that and all of the above.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 6 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

it's an easy message when they already turned college into a scam. I went 10 years ago and I felt like I was getting ripped off. I ended up flunking out and now my student loans I'll never pay off are in default. we need to make employment less dependent on credentials

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[–] Sprinks@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Ive been in and out of college since 2014 and my most recent attempt, specifically one programming course, was the final straw that made me throw my hands up and say fuck it ill teach myself.

On top of paying out of state tuition, i had to pay fees that were meant to support the online learning platform the school used to deliver virtual courses. No biggie, every school ive attended has the same fees. However, this one programming course was integrated with pearson and not just for a few assignments, but for literally everything. Every module, assignment, quiz, etc. was a hyperlink to pearson. My teacher was doing 0 teaching and grading, I was still expected to pay fees for the schools learning platform that was nothing but hyperlinks to pearson, and then on top of all of that i was expected to pay an extra fee to use pearson's platform. But, wait, it gets better. The hyperlinks to pearson were actually directing to pearson's in-house built course that they openly sell on their site at a lower rate than what my school tried to charge me and with a longer access period than I would have gotten through my school.

UMGC, university of maryland global campus, essentially tried to outsource my education to a 3rd party and then asked me to front the cost in addition to their own fees. Yeah, no, i withdrew from the school. As much as I want my bachelors, its not worth it if i have to play these games.

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[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

they can't afford it and a college education no longer guarantees you a good wage outside of very specialized and difficult fields of study. also fewer and fewer people are prepared for college, as our secondary and primary education systems have gotten worse.

in the 1990s you could major in English from a cheap state school and walk off to a 40K job. You maybe had 5-10K in college debt. in the 2020s you major in English from a top tier school and you're lucky to get a job that pays you 30K a year, if you can find one at all. Your debt is more like 20-40K. This is pretty much true of other majors as well, even basic technical ones.

Meanwhile the COL from the 90s has tripled or quadrupled. So your purchasing power is even effectively been dropped to like 1/6 of what it was in the 90s.

My no name company hires data entry workers for about 45K to start. We only hire people from top tier universities with specialized degrees, and we have an over abundance of applicants, that's why we can be so picky. Our mid tier employes have to have Masters degrees from top 10 uni and are only making 50-60K to start. if you went to a state university we throw your resume in the trash.

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Boys are being fed that college degrees are useless, and women are starting to attend college at slightly higher rates. From a realistic perspective, the costs are just crazy.

If I were a kid today, I’d totally go to vet school in Europe.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Out of interest I looked up the price difference.

Typical fees per year in the EU range from zero up to around 3K euro (about $3500) with most being below 1K.

US starts at around 12K for in state public and goes well over 40 for private or out of state.

That's debt for life levels depending on the earning potential of your course.

Crazy financial gamble to have to take at 18.

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[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 28 points 5 hours ago

Anything but build affordable housing or abolish rent. It’s like that “no way to prevent this” Onion article.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 15 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

So another orphan crushing machine that we can turn off but absolutely refuse to do so.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Won't anybody think of the investors!

[–] ghost9@lemmy.world 15 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Zoidberg: Still, to have your own parking spot!

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[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 15 points 5 hours ago

I had to sleep in my car from time to time when I was in college.

I'd park in a well-lit spot in an active parking lot (back in the before times, many major retailers were open 24/7) in a safer part of town. The backseats of my car were pull-downs that opened directly into the trunk. So, I'd sneakily climb through and into the trunk, then curl up back there to sleep.

It was a dark space and since nobody could see me back there, there was less chance of someone targeting me for robbery (sleeping person = easy target) or calling the cops on me (sleeping person = drugs or medical emergency). But those were still factors that added lots of stress to an already shitty situation.

I know times are harder for more people these days, but I figured I'd share since a lot of people don't actively recognize that things were also difficult for many people back in the day as well. While there's obviously a problem that needs to be solved here, and it sucks that we're at a point where this is considered a solution, I would just say, don't let perfection get in the way of progress.

Of course we should strive for a situation where everybody has a home, familial / social supports, good stable income, etc. But, also, even a little added comfort from having a safe(r) place to park & sleep as well as access to things like showers and bathrooms is a tiny little step in the right direction.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 14 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Even pod apartments would be better than this..

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 16 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly, a Japanese-style capsule hotel and net cafe would probably do very well in a university environment.

Granted, that's still charging people for homelessness, which doesn't help any of the underlying problems. It's just slightly less dystopian since it's cheap.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 13 points 2 hours ago

With each new headline like this I hate my country just a little bit more.

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe put the parking lot down by the river, that's where I'd like to park my van

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 hour ago

This is not a solution it's a workaround. Sleeping in cars is typically hard sleeping, which is still the problem.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

I slept in my car a lot while I was in college, but I wasn't homeless. It was just more convenient. "Safe" was the location wherever my car was parked, I would just avoid parking it in unsafe areas.

[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 hours ago

Hookup city

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