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[–] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 124 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (6 children)

"We have the money to fix the problem, we really just don't want to."

Everyone always says homelessness is a complicated issue due to addiction and mental health and then that's it. full stop. in many peoples heads those TWO groups are the ONLY groups that make up the homeless population. but after volunteering I know better. you have students, you have women escaping domestic abuse, you have the elderly who can no longer afford rent, you have kids who are LGBTQ+ that have been disowned by their families, you have refugees, and you have people who simply lost their jobs and fell through the cracks.

allowing students to sleep in their cars is not a solution. it's another band aid applied to a massive gaping wound. And this isn't just an America issue, several countries are guilty of band aid "solutions". I mean hell here in Canada the government is talking about investing $1billion into AI for fucks sake. That $1billion could be better served in providing people with homes. There's never any long term planning here, always short term "solutions". Wouldn't it be advantageous to governments to ensure people have homes in order to get them back into the workforce thus paying taxes.

Call me a heart on the sleeve soft liberal all you want but I'm of the firm belief that EVERYONE deserves and has the right to a home and food and if they can't provide either of those things for themselves than we as a society, as a community, need to provide it for them. And I firmly believe that the majority of our society feel the same and wouldn't mind their tax dollars going towards that. It's just that the powers that be don't want that.

[–] Fermion@mander.xyz 37 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

One of the most humane solutions is also the most economically efficient. Early intervention programs like rent/utility assistance are significantly cheaper in the long run than trying to rehabilitate people who have already lost everything and have a litany of health issues because of it. If conservatives really want to save money, they should be embracing "an ounce of prevention saves a pound of cure." Instead, they're stuck in wanting to SEE the desperation before even considering helping. Safety nets are major economic stimulus in the long run because it's much easier to attempt entrepeneurship if you aren't making a life and death gamble. But something tells me the currently wealthy know this and don't want competition popping up.

Then of course we also need to fix affordability issues, because unaffordable necessities put everyone at risk.

My point is that even if you mostly just care about efficient government and economic growth, you should still come to similar conclusions as "bleeding heart liberals." Conservatives don't come to those conclusions not by economic arguments, but because they fail to see the merit of collective problem solving. They want to have their own little castle with all their stuff that they can defend under penalty of death. We pretend the argument is about feasability and cost effectiveness, but the real issue is that they don't think that any proposal that would take anything from them or require giving is an option. That's why you see the economically destitute and ultra wealthy in an unholy alliance. Both of those groups are prone to wanting to circle the wagons and consider only the wellbeing of people in their little circle -- the poor out of desperation, and the wealthy out of possessiveness. Everyone not in their little circle is someone else's problem.

[–] gws@programming.dev 7 points 8 hours ago

Even efficiency takes a back seat to the[ir] real top priority: Hurting the right people and being seen to do so.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

it's not politically viable though. even liberal voters will revolt at this because it is 'unfair' or seem as rewarding laziness.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I've seen liberal voters only revolt when it's in their back yard.

"I want to help house the homeless, but I don't want to see them."

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

i live in boston area. every single person here is like this. they love the homeless, but if they have to see them in public the sudden they start talking about how they need to be 'removed' because it makes them feel uncomfortable.

same with schools, housing, healthcare. they support it, until it affects them. Then they are against it.

anf i you say you are for it, they call you evil and heartless and inconsiderate of 'real people who work for a living'. because homeless people aren't real people if they don't have six figure office jobs.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

NYMBYs is why politicians don't have the balls to do anything progressive. Unless you have a wide swelling of support, which thanks to our two party system we never will, Democrats are often stuck keeping the status quo.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

most democrats benefit from the status quo and that's why they want it.

the democrat base is wealthy educated professionals who are making a killing in this economy. it's not working-class people.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago

It's not a solution, but as someone who slept in her car in a college parking lot because her father got pissed at her being around his house while queer, it's better than we'd had. I was afraid I would get in trouble for sleeping like that. Mind you, the main reason I couldn't sleep that night was that it was really fucking cold and it's really hard to sleep in a car.

Housing first is the best solution, but we also need humane solutions for short term homelessness. The "I left in the middle of the night and need a few days to get my bearings because things could go any humber of ways" type stuff. Shelters are so intimidating and have a reputation for being hostile to those that need them.

My college had a food bank, and as I think of this, they really could've had a shelter for students as well. Just a few dorm rooms done simple with literature on resources where if you need to stay there a few days you can. Instead I wasn't allowed to sleep on a student's couch for more than two consecutive nights.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 7 points 6 hours ago

That last paragraph hits really close to home for me. I'm like super privileged currently, but have been homeless while I was going to college. Sleeping in my car or any friend who would let me crash on their couch or closet floor. It really sucks and it's taxing physically & mentally.

Like a small jail cell would've been preferable to my car on cold nights. And yet I see so many people that have never experienced it properly claim that people need to earn it to feel better about themselves. Like fucking no they don't Trevor! Tell you what, you go try and sleep in the cold for a few nights and tell me how productive you are the next day!

[–] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 2 points 5 hours ago

You are totally correct, but there is something else: There are limits to everybodies agency. If you're somewhere in a college administration, you can't reroute those AI billions into housing for students. That's not going to happen. But you can try to help struggling students with the tools and powers you have and if it's a parking lot where they can sleep without fear that robbers or police will harass them, that's good! If you find a way to give leftover food from the cafeteria to hungry students, that's also great - even if there shouldn't be hungry students at all.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

This college doesn’t have the power to fix homelessness at the societal level, but they did have the power to do this. It’s a pretty awesome story.