Democrats proposed a bill that all Federal employees get paid during the shutdown. GOP said no.
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The first time I'm reading about this. If the situation were reversed Republicans would be on every show everywhere repeating this taking point.
Democrats need to fucking hammer the Republicans on this 24/7 on every outlet possible.
As with most dishes, a sauce would be wonderrful
The bill is called "The true shutdown fairness act", and it is a poorly named response to the republican "shutdown fairness act".
The main differences between the bills (which aren't really covered in the news, but you can read the bills) is that the shutdown fairness act was limited to excepted employees (those who have to work without pay), as well as some military personnel and some contractors. But it gave trump discretion about who could get paid, and did nothing for furloughed employees, nor guarantee all service members or contractors get paid (again, because it allowed trump to pick and choose)
The true shutdown fairness act aimed to ensure all federal employees and service members get paid, and prevent mass firings during the shutdown. I don't know/understand why this bill was rejected (I'll edit if I can find anything)
This post and this post go into a bit more detail.
Edit: I can't find a news article with direct quotes, but this is part of the ai overview (so take it with a grain of salt)
Underlying reasons: Democrats opposed the Republican bill because they felt it would grant the President too much power to decide which employees would be paid and which would not. Republicans, in turn, blocked the Democratic bill, with Johnson expressing concern that it would limit the President's ability to manage the government and potentially reduce the workforce.
WHY can't these GREEDY Air Traffic Controllers just BUCKLE DOWN so until we can CONFIRM that STARVING CHILDREN WILL NOT BE GETTING FOOD and that HEALTH CARE INSURANCE WILL BECOME UNAFFORDABLE FOR AMERICANS?
So we can expect massive problems going into the busiest travel time of the year?
Thanks, Obama!
Also next year and the year after since this is a permanent reduction in the workforce.
Thanks Reagan!
Ahh Reagan, he may not be the only one that caused us to get to where we are, but he did a phenomenal job teaching the next generation how to fuck up everything for everyone.
He's pretty much directly responsible for the atc problems. Their union went on strike during his presidency and he did mass firings and union busting. It takes years to fully train and qualify an atc and the job has an incredible amount of stress. They aren't easy to recruit and train. We've had a national shortage of atc since his firings. If he had negotiated with them in good faith we wouldn't have had a sudden shortage that we couldn't catch up from then and their working conditions would have improved making them easier to recruit and train.
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So many of today's problems are because of the Confederate Party, and the kinds of things they did and the things they schemed about since Nixon and since Ronnie Raygun especially.
They were thoroughly outraged that Nixon had to resign in complete disgrace and vowed to combat that in the media space at least. Ronnie Raygun's maladministration helped to enable that with the dismantling of the Fairness Doctrine....
The very last thing you want on a job is old timers who have been through terrible situations and know shortcuts and tricks to get through it.
Institutional memory? Bah! We have MBA's!
They’re gonna stick AI in there and then the body count is gonna skyrocket.
Tesla Full Self Landing
Oh lord...... and you know that there is someone actually considering this too.
Don't worry, the idiots that are going to try probably have MBAs, so, nothing to worry about.
I mean I wouldn’t want to have a federal position now…. Who knows when you could next be expected to work with no pay for a month or more because a bunch of fascist babies aren’t quite getting their way.
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He's planning on using the military to take over the airports, like they did in the Revolutionary War .
He's not paying the military either, not sure how well that'll work for him.
As well as it did in the Revolutionary War, I'm sure!
Given my expectations of the regime, they will be fully staffed by military ATC.
Military ATC is not Civilian ATC.
This is going to be a worse shitshow than I anticipated just in air travel.
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I'm sure this is Bidens fault somehow right? Isn't that usually how this goes, blame Biden for some shit that has nothing to do with him?
Well...if he had gotten the justice department to actually nail Trump, then we might have avoided this.
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It's clearly Obama's fault!
Yup!
As long aa you can squeeze a "DEMS" in there you're good to go
I fully expect the regime to announce they're arresting ATC personnel who quit.
So, how good is ChatGPT at doing air traffic control?
“Uh… attention all aircraft in the vicinity of JFK… ChatGPT Tower’s got this under control… mostly… just, uh, maintain separation and good vibes.” 😅
“Flight 4131 to tower, do I have clearance to land safely?”
“That’s a great question!”
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I had an Uber rider yesterday that brought up a fairly profound prediction about AI. It's clear it is poisoning the Internet, but he said "what if this gets people to get off social media and start being social IRL?" I'm paraphrasing and he was much more verbose, but it's a pleasant thought I've been holding onto.
“United 123, turn right 360 lol noscope.” Source: reddit.
I already do lots of cringing at people doing "vibe coding" for non-lethal things....vibe ATC would be next-level.
”Controllers are resigning every day now because of the prolonged nature of the shutdown [...] We hadn’t seen that before."
Well, none of the other shutdowns have gone on this long. I'm also struggling to remember any shutdown that's gone on for any length in an economy this clearly bad and heading further downhill. Nor has there ever been a shutdown where the head of the government has said they won't be paid in the end for time worked. It makes perfect sense for the ATC's to prioritize themselves, their families and their finances over a system that consistently and chronically under-values them, over-works and over-stresses them, and has explicitly declared it has no loyalty or concern for the people who work there.
Cause this is the longest shutdown in history. The now second longest was during Trump's first term...
I just got off my flight to Mexico. I have no idea if I’m getting home. It wasn’t a dealbreaker for the trip..
They want to privatize this mark my words. AIATC incoming...
New worst use case for AI just dropped.
Pedo Antoinette might just get the ending he deserves sooner rather than later
The minute that the controller shortage fucks the wrong wealthy person’s private jet trip suddenly everything will magically be fixed.
He picked a terrible time to frontload this issue by giving rich people extra tax writeoffs on private jets. Theyre gonna be pissed if their new private jets become useless
I hope we can all agree that people should not be furloughed or working without pay during this shutdown but something I haven't seen reported on is the effect this will have on economies locally and nationally.
Napkin math so someone correct me if needed:
- 4.5 million furloughed or working without pay.
- Average salary I found was $68,000 but let's use 50,000 to account for the top paying jobs probably still getting paid.
- That gives us $4,166 monthly.
- For each month of shutdown that comes to $18,747,000,000 that isn't being spent
While I'm sure most of us Americans could do with less consumption, I can't help but wonder how many small businesses are going to suffer from this. This is especially true for areas with large amounts of federal employment.
There are actually projections for the economic downturn to come that do and don't factor in the government shutdown reaching thanksgiving, then Christmas. So it is being considered in terms of consumer spending as a whole, but you mentioned small businesses specifically, and they are the ones that will be hurt more than anyone in what's to come. Although, I'm seeing more and more local-only-economies pop up, where you all try to keep money within the network of the community.
The projections I saw were for the economy to level off by 1Q 2026, but if the shutdown reaches Christmas, it'll actually shrink an entire point.
A plane is gonna crash because of overworked atc and then they'll declare it terrorism and invoke martial law.
Mark my words.
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The retired controllers should unionize, and put forth an option for future non-Turdpublican administrations to rehire them for fair wages, compensation, and benefits. It would be cheaper and easier than hiring fresh faces and hoping for the best.
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Good. I hope America grinds to a fucking standstill. And that as a result of it, traitorous cowards like Fueher Shitshimself never see the light of day, let alone any position of authority.
Closest thing Donnie can relate with is being told he wasn't allowed to golf during the campaign. Rough, buddy, I know.
I'm old enough to remember when Pedonald and his white wing supporters would complain about Obama's golfing.
Must IOKIYAR thing, as well as a melanin thing.
Lol, lmao
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