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like the brain is literally encased in the body so how can it be separate? like if you go around licking lamp posts you're going to pick up some germ that's gonna make you feel like crap and you get insomnia or fever and your brain will definitely be impacted. and so you'll have short temper and that'll get you into trouble.

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[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 42 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Who thinks that?

Even little kids know that if you get too hungry or tired you aren't going to be able to do a complex task.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] Anuttara@leminal.space 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

well like most of the wellness programs i've seen. they only admit to like general "you'll feel better" but otherwise it's like they demonize it when someone's brain doesn't let them do some thing and somehow they're just supposed to power through that.

[–] porcoesphino@mander.xyz 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm a bit confused about your point here. It doesn't seem to address the question and in general I'm not sure what you're trying to say

[–] Anuttara@leminal.space 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

like that other person said "it's all in your head". Yeah? Ok let's take from the other direction. the head believes it's under attack somehow or like anxiety and then people are somehow supposed to be like it "can't" affect the rest of the body? like "get a grip on urself". How??

[–] porcoesphino@mander.xyz 1 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Maybe I get it. I'm going to try to make an example and I'll hope you can tell me how I misunderstood. An example might be someone with high anxiety having panic attacks but the people around them are the really empathetic and as time goes on they get irritated (since they aren't too empathetic) so the end result is them saying things like "its all in your head" or "get a grip on yourself". In this fake example I'm guessing both groups would get triggered quickly from person they just met that has attributes from the old group. It was tough to frame this in a way that seemed realistic to me but wasn't really harsh on one group, sorry if I've missed the mark there or completely misunderstood.

In that situation, I think everyone still (usually) thinks that if the person with anxiety got a cold their body would still affect their mind and they would get grumpier and more worried. They probably wouldn't show much care and if they were throwing around quick phrases about it being in your head then they would keep saying it, but I don't think it would be because of some logic that the body is independent of the mind.

Am I close to understanding, or just really misunderstanding something here?

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 6 days ago

I once read that the Romans didn't really understand what the brain was for, and believed that thoughts and emotions emanated from the heart. They certainly saw enough warfare and bloodshed to know that a massive head wound/ brain injury was fatal, but didn't really understand its purpose.

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 days ago

I have a tumor in my thalamus. I've also survived a TBI with subarachnoid hemorrhage, and I have bone spurs compressing my spinal cord. I get random spells where I get super dizzy, dripping sweat, my heart rate skyrockets, my vision starts going dark around the edges, and I feel like I need to sit down before I fall down.

I'm struggling to find work from home because driving with presyncope is dangerous. My inlaws think it's just an excuse to be lazy and siphon money off my partner.

[–] PillowTalk420@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because the brain seems to think it is not a part of the body.

Source: Brain told me to type this.

[–] Anuttara@leminal.space 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

who is the me the brain told that to tho lol

[–] PillowTalk420@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Anuttara@leminal.space 1 points 6 days ago (3 children)

why does the body feed the brain with info like senses and chemicals then?

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[–] Bgugi@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Meat and rocks marianette.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's because of mind-body dualism. Most people have absorbed some amount of mysticism from the culture around them without realizing it, and a distressing amount of Western mystic traditions have some form of mind-body or spirit-body dualism.

[–] picnicolas@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 days ago

True, and nondual traditions like tantric Buddhism, Advaita Vedanta, and Kashmir Shivism really have a leg up in that regard, but Descartes really cemented it as the supposed “objective” fact (lol) that it is today.

The root problem though is the felt sense of separation the mind creates but that mystical experiences can dissolve.

[–] higgsboson@piefed.social 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (19 children)

I put it like this: if you replaced any other part, or even all your other parts with machines, you'd still be (what you think of as) you... because your brain would still be in there.

There is, however, no replacing the brain. If your brain goes, you go with it. You are your brain.

[–] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

But if we cut the bridge between the two brain hemispheres that allows them to communicate with eachother - the corpus callosum - it still feels subjectively like “you” remain unchanged. Yet there are ways to communicate with each hemisphere independently, as shown in the so-called split-brain experiments. The findings show that the two hemispheres often give different answers to the same questions. They also show that if you tell the left hemisphere to perform an action and then ask the right hemisphere why it did it, the right side will invent an excuse. So the question is - which hemisphere are you?

My answer to that is that it’s neither - there is no “you.” The sense of there being a center to consciousness is an illusion. There’s only consciousness and its contents. If we could perfectly copy your brain, that copy would also subjectively feel like you.

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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Are you talking about consciousness? As this is separate from the mind. It would disappear from being encased within the body without a mind just as it would without a heart being that the body without these elements is not capable of reaching consciousness because it’s not capable of sustained living.

Note: it has not been scientifically proven yet that the consciousness resides in an exact spot in the brain hence they speak of consciousness and mind as separate.

Note also that there have been people who lived their entire life missing about 80% of their brain (or more https://www.sciencealert.com/a-man-who-lives-without-90-of-his-brain-is-challenging-our-understanding-of-consciousness ) without even realizing it

One case where the brain was only a crust within the scull bone and still had an operating consciousness.

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[–] Acamon@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Descartes, and Protestantism.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

not followin ya completely... i see lots of people call themselves 'spiritual' thinking their consciousness is somehow distinct from the body.

its an emergent property of the connectome. you arent you without those interconnected neurons.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's even more complicated. Not only do some people struggle with the brain being connected to the body, there's lots of people who think that you consciousness is disconnected from your brain.

Now it's true that we cannot exactly trace thoughts traveling through their respective neurons, but we definitely know that that's all that thoughts are. Tiny electric impulses rushing through the brain and creating associative ideas and concepts. And then we call them thoughts.

So yeah people get weird about it,I think they won't stop unless we manage to map out all neurons, which I don't think will happen anytime soon.

[–] AlmightyDoorman@kbin.earth 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Something i have thought about for some time. Do we only have one consciousness? Like if you literally split your brain in half via operation suddenly you got two brain halves tha't can not communicate with each other in any way. Do you now have 2 personalities and consciousness? If yes, why don't you have them before? Maybe you always have two but they are just in agreement. And why stop at two? There are some interviews with siamese twins (the teacher sisters for example) and it's so interesting to see how they talk. They finish each other sentences which is natural i guess but they also say "ehh" when the other one doesn't know a word. It's like a single person talking. I am not arguing they are distinctive persons. Just some random thoughts.

[–] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 2 points 6 days ago

The findings from those split-brain experiments are fascinating - and maybe a little unsettling.

I often wonder whether the “second consciousness” is created the moment the corpus callosum is cut, or whether it was always there, just hidden by the brain’s integration. If it’s the latter, that opens up some really interesting implications. For instance, when you feel like you should do something but don’t want to - could that inner conflict actually be the two hemispheres quietly disagreeing with each other?

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People think the blood brain barrier is a lot more absolute than it really is.

[–] Johandea@feddit.nu 3 points 6 days ago

Most people don't know the blood-brain barrier exists.

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The self, whatever that actually is, believes it's separate from the body. It's one of the key reasons people believe in spirits/souls and afterlives.

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[–] Fedditor385@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Who says the brain is the most important organ in the body...? The brain...

[–] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because their brains decided so.

[–] Anuttara@leminal.space 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

who are they then? are they the brain?

[–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're getting into some fun philosophical concepts with this. Look up the mind body problem and you might find some interesting reads. :)

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[–] insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 week ago

I was going to say something about the body being an extension of the brain (a very important one), though given some of your responses I feel like it's more relevant that many areas of our society treats commerce as a higher priority than human ecology. Even ignoring statistics.

[–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think quite a few people don't treat it like an organ(if that what's it actually is). Like mind over matter can work for anyone no matter what is wrong with the fucked up brain

[–] Anuttara@leminal.space 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

but how is the mind different from the whole??

[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 1 points 6 days ago

Most people think souls exist even after somebody gets brain damage in a car crash and turns into a monster.

Basically, lower your standards because the average human will never reach the bar as it stands.

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I blame Plato

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