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Cool, cool cool cool. Nothing dystopian about that at all.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

People apparently don't know about the NSA Utah Datacenter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

Been a thing for over a decade, unimaginable total storage size, and they literally archive everything.

This place had between 3 and 12 exabytes of storage capacity, in 2013.

1 exabyte is 1 billion gigabytes.

How big was your pc/laptop hard drive in 2013?

Maybe... 250 gigs to 2 teras, something like that?

This data center could now easily be in the yottabyte range ( millions of exabytes ), maybe even ronnabytes ( billions of exabytes ).

https://www.rankred.com/largest-data-centers-in-the-world/

6th largest data center in the world by physical size, and it is the only one on this list explictly designated for 'national security'.

The NSA has taps on every single major trunk line going in or out of the US, they coordinate with every major US-based ISP, every major software provider, data center operator.

They have so much archived data that their actual problem is figuring out how to search through it efficiently... and that is a big thing that Palantir does, that was kinda their whole intitial... thing, as a company.

[–] NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I came here to make this comment less cogently. You have it exactly.

Now, does it violate US law and multiple Executive Orders to search the database to get dirt on US Citizens and use it against their election campaign? Yes. Yes it does. But this administration thinks laws are for sissies.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

And this was always the problem of building the panopticon, everyone justified doing it by saying 'well, its fine so long as the good guys are in charge', and 'we have to stop the terrorists, 9/11 Never Again'.

This is why the panopticon system is destroyed by Lucius Fox after using it to find the Joker in the Dark Knight.

The system itself is too dangerous to be allowed to exist in a world of flawed humans, and it will eventually be wielded by those least morally qualified to wield it.

Fuck, this is also basically analagous to the Lord of the Rings... Frodo is the hero for destroying the One Ring, not wielding it, because it literally corrupts you with its literally evil power.

God damnit.

[–] NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

This "too dangerous to exist" argument is seemingly more true for nuclear technology, but the world recognized the threat and came together to manage it.

I will grant you that database and ability to search it lends itself easily to popular oppression, but it still requires thinking, breathing humans to do the oppressing.

Most technology is not dangerous without psychopaths in power, and damn near everything is dangerous with psychopaths in power.

[–] desertdruid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago

No wonder that guy didn't understand One Piece

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[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When people were up in arms about China getting data from TikTok, I wondered if they had any idea of what the NSA does.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

When that was going on, the whole time I was saying that if we ban Tiktok for data security reasons, we should ban Facebook and Instagram for exactly the same reason, and yes, we should ban basically all social media at this point, its all a perfect spying machine, one you get addicted to, beyond hiding in plain sight...

Of course, that's extremely unlikely to happen... but it is an actually consistent position.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 4 points 1 week ago

The sale to a right wing Trumpbuddy proves what I have been saying. The position of the US government is quite consistent: "WE get all of your data."

[–] Cavemanfreak@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

We probably should. But the reason for the ban is because they don't want foreign governments swaying the american public; only the US government is allowed to do that.

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Like, they've been able to do this for 25 odd years.

There were gov data centers with thousands of petabytes when I was in college. Prism had the gov archiving every phone call and all internet traffic back in '08...

This is not news.

As soon as the quantum cryptography tech gets there, they'll start decrypting the signal and matrix chats you had yesterday.

Privacy is illusory and temporary.

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[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Don't just be mad at palantir.

The American government funded palantir.

Palantir couldn't exist without the helping hand of the American government.

The time to give a fuck was long before Snowden made his leaks.

All the dystopian stuff people fear the government will do is already being done by a framework of companies funded by our government.

[–] eve@evecodes.com 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

What’s posted to the internet, STAYS on the internet. Forever. Stay safe friens

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[–] scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fuckers should help me restore my old academic portfolio then. Might as well put living in a dystopian surveillance state to helpful use.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It seems like these sorts of things can be used against you, but whenever it might actually benefit you they always come up short.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 5 points 1 week ago

I was screaming this when COVID first hit.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 14 points 1 week ago

It was forensics. They used forensics. Ai did not help, probably got a bit in the way even. You can do these things with data. We told you several times

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 week ago (9 children)

As a software engineer I was a little shocked when I learned our company treats “Delete” buttons as a means to toggle Archived = 1 in the DB. Nothing is actually deleted. Sure we will anonymise the data after a certain time to be GDPR compliant but it would be trivial I guess to actually link that back to people.

[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 8 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I'm pretty sure GDPR requires websites to abide to user requests to delete their data. You may wish to review that with your company.

[–] SanguineBrah@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The GDPR applies to data pertaining to an identifiable person. Anonymised data is more or less equivalent to deleted data as far as the regulation is concerned. Source: I was a DPO for 5 years.

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[–] viking@infosec.pub 3 points 1 week ago

The requirement exists unless the company is under legal obligation to retain something. I had one case where I requested a GDPR data dump followed by a full deletion, and apparently whoever executed the request deleted first and then processed the dump, so I was able to see that what they did was change my email address from username@mail.tld to username#mail.tld@company.tld - meaning that login attempts, password resets etc. would clearly fail, and a further attempt to request my data revolving around my email address would be unsuccessful, but ultimately all my data was still accessible somewhere. Whether they'd then proceed to delete it after the retention period, who knows. I intended to follow up but forgot...

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yes I too can use web.archive.org

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sure, but it's also very likely that reddit is still retaining all posts even "deleted" ones in their database. I can go look at the profiles of people who haven't used their accounts in 12 years. I can use Arctic Shift to view posts and comments that users have deleted themselves... even from deleted accounts! All the data is still there. That's why a few years ago when people were deleting accounts it was widely suggested to edit every comment into gibberish before deletion, so the final edit in the database would be worthless. I remember when there were extension tools to do it like NukeReddit that changed everything to gibberish and then deleted it for you all automatically. Those tools had stopped working by the time the exodus due to the API changes happened.

Anyway, I wouldn't past that fucking pile of shit Steve Huffman to just be passing it off to Palantir because he's such a little bitch.

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[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's like none of you have heard of Edward Snowden.

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pretty sure they also have access to banned Reddit accounts whose users can no longer access their history to know what they will be judged and profiled for, too.

Just assume every social network either allows this directly or enables a third party to do it, Lemmy specially.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Lemmy is explicitly public. I don't think that's much of a stretch.

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Palantir is an evil company.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago

This was pretty evident the second they named their company over the tool used by The Dark Lord Sauron and Saruman to spy on the actions of others from Lord of the Rings.

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yup, data archival. Now imagine this future: right now, encrypted data transfers may be wire-tapped and stored. When quantum computers are available, all that traffic will be decryptable. This includes pretty much all general HTTPS traffic since TLS mostly uses ECDHE for key exchange which isn't quantum secure.
I bet nation state actors are recording everything they can.

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[–] nandeEbisu@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

You don't need AI for this, just a ton of money for storage and either tolerance for a slow query (like 15-20 minutes) or an engineer who knows what they're doing in search.

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sure. As far as I can tell Palantir sells the software that police, ICE and the military use to Face ID suspects, including "aliens" and Osama Bin Laden (way back when that happened).

Once you scan your face data and post it online, you can assume security agencies (Palantir clients) load it into Palantir software to complete your profile. Privacy is dead.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Once you put anything on the public internet these days, it will be harvest by corporations and used against you eventually

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I think we all should keep speaking up.

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[–] Angelevo@feddit.nl 5 points 1 week ago

Q. uell. Sur....... prise ~

[–] Saarth@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (18 children)

There are dedicated tools, called Social Listening tools that do just these. Some examples are Brandwatch, Sprinklr, Talkwalker and Meltwater.

Not just Palantir, anyone and everyone is using these tools. From consumer companies to investment banks to your favourite content creator is using some kind of social listening to stay on top of trends and understand how you behave.

Reddit and Twitter are two social platforms that provide the most data openly and freely, and in reddit's case you can get a lot of historical data without extra cost.

Your favourite candle brand, and your favourite outdoor clothing company and protein shake company is part of your favourite reddit community listening to what you're talking about. They know if you like energy drinks, you might light heavily scented bath soaps too.

Deleted posts show up on these platforms quite often but when you click on them to go to reddit or twitter you'll get a not found or deleted page.

PS: I've been working in social listening for last 8 years.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

'Social Listening' is uh, one way to brand 'corporate surveillance panopticon', I guess hahah!

Oh god I'm so glad I am an ex-corpo, the stupid fucking lingo and buzzwords alone should be enough to make most people realize they are in a cult, but I guess not.

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Could you stop enabling the police state, please?

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[–] Ironfist79@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Anything ever posted online can be archived and searched later. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to cross reference publicly available sources along with subpoenaed data.

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Literally nothing points to Palantir so far according to that post, so your title is just misinformation...

Sources claim that [...] tools, POSSIBLY including Palantir OR SIMILAR [...] MAY have been used ...

Everyone from the sources to the poster are just guessing and speculating.
I dont doubt that its real, but at this point its just made up nonsense to claim it like this.

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