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"High-altitude winds between 1,640 and 3,281 feet (500 and 10,000 meters) above the ground are stronger and steadier than surface winds. These winds are abundant, widely available, and carbon-free.

"The physics of wind power makes this resource extremely valuable. “When wind speed doubles, the energy it carries increases eightfold, triple the speed, and you have 27 times the energy,” explained Gong Zeqi "

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[–] y0kai@anarchist.nexus 121 points 4 days ago (7 children)

1,640 and 3,281 feet (500 and 10,000 meters)

I feel like this needs a second look.

[–] reev@sh.itjust.works 102 points 4 days ago (2 children)

As a European... Are feet logarithmic? Wouldn't even surprise me that much.

[–] felbane@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Only when viewed from the north.

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[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 4 days ago

The zero key got stuck.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They used different people's feet.

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 78 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Ha! Watch us burn some liquid dinosaurs!

- USA

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Fossil fuels are from shit the dinos ate, like plants and other dumb crap. The belief that coal-rollers are cool enough to burn liquid dinosaurs is easily the single biggest lie of the oil industry.

Closely followed by -gestures wildly-

[–] Zugyuk@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Lol, got your new advert campaign... Gasoline is vegan

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 4 days ago

I mean, they already rebranded some shitty vinyl as "vegan leather".

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[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Oil is solar power with extra steps.

Just cut out the 300 million year old middle man

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[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 4 days ago

I cant wait for the conspiracy theories about this

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Finally the stupid floating jet engine looking turbines from Big Hero 6, except IRL they actually look good.

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 30 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Incredible progress on a concept that has been seeking investment for last 15 years. It doesn't just provide 1.2mw, it also operates at a higher capacity factor than capturing winds closer to ground. I'm sure it can scale even higher.

This is useful for clean energy shipping. Design supports an unthethered airship that produces H2 and transports it at the same time. I believe the design would support forward momentum directly upwind, but some tacking angle would be supported.

This is not just a breakthrough in wind energy generation, it is a breakthrough in airship capability.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 28 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Meanwhile in the US, rich assholes are firmly convinced coal and oil are the future.

God I hate this place.

[–] jellygoose@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 days ago

It’s late stage capitalism.

These fools are just hoarding what they have and trying to continue the « golden age ».

China will be the next superpower for sure

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[–] 5gruel@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

An untethered AWE cannot produce any power

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Say what you will at least China seems produce some much needed tech in exchange for selling their people to capitalism, the latter which almost all countries do but in exchange for funnelling the 99.99 % of the revenue to billionaires and/or war (pulled the stats out of my hass).

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Switching to renewables makes a lot of sense from an economic and ecologic point of view but also geostrategically. Unfortunately, Western governments have pretty much lost the ability to act on those considerations. This is due to then being beholden to a few billionaires who would rather see civilisation as we know it end than accept a few percentage points revenue drop for a couple of quarters.

It's because the regulatory bodies are captured by the interests of the fossil fuel companies

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[–] Naich@lemmings.world 19 points 4 days ago

This looks like a good way to bring power to a remote area, and China has lots of those.

[–] AceBonobo@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (10 children)

Edit: I was trying to get more information from other articles and got the S1000 (100kW) mixed up with the S1500 (1000kW)

~~They're trying to get it to100kW. That's like a pretty big generator but not a huge one. So this isn't a replacement for wind farms just yet. The picture is from a year ago~~. No mention of costs.

Would it be possible to use heat to get it to float, instead of helium? Heat it up with electricity.

[–] Kushan@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The article says:

The S1500 features a main airfoil and an annular wing that together form a giant duct. Inside this duct are 12 turbine-generator sets, each rated at 100 kW.

That suggests to me (admittedly a layman) that each blimp is more like 1.2MW?

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

The title itself already says it's 1MW.

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[–] showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website 14 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Am I crazy or didn’t we see these in Big Hero 6?

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[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yes but, you see, that was an animated film aka a work of fiction. This is happening in reality.

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[–] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (10 children)

It's a novel approach, but the Chinese aren't the only ones trying to harvest energy from high winds: https://skysails-power.com/how-power-kites-work/

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[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (8 children)

I'd be more interested about the cable that is going to bring all that power to the ground level. With traditional tech that would weigh a shit-ton. Light weight generator would be easy peasy compared to that.

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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Neat.

Any real reason you can't fill them with hydrogen? A fire can't start inside the bubble, because there's no oxygen. If a fire starts on the outer surface, then it doesn't really matter if it's hydrogen or not. It's also cheaper and slightly better at lifting. There is some more danger with handling it on the ground, but you should be able to mitigate that with safety procedures.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 15 points 4 days ago

Yes the Hindenburg disaster had more to do with the flammable paint used than the hydrogen inside it. But the safety procedures when working with on the ground may be more expensive than just using helium.

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[–] CCMan1701A@startrek.website 10 points 4 days ago (10 children)

I wonder what happens to the world when we take this energy from the wind? Like what are the effects of harvesting wind power?

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 22 points 4 days ago

I'm no scientist but I think it would take an absurd and unrealistic amount of these to have any sort of noticeable effect on average wind speeds.

[–] Mandarbmax@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

Typically wind is dissipated by friction losses with the surface I think (bleeding off speed and energy by making waves, waving trees, and just rubbing against the ground) and wind is generated by heat from the sun (warm air expanding pushing against cold air, creating pressure differentials across thousands of miles).

Because wind is quick to regenerate and this does nothing to stop that the result is probably a pretty small drop in average wind speeds around the new mill and no greater ramifications than slightly less pollen travel in the spring.

[–] snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Enough wind redirection could affect weather patterns. But we won't run out of wind, spoiler but wind power is just indirect solar power.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

To be fair everything but nuclear is just indirect solar power (and if you count other stars besides just Sol, even fission kinda is)

Edit: And I guess geothermal isn't really solar power either, that's residual heat from formation of the planet

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[–] 7toed@midwest.social 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The windmills will steal all the spinning from hurricanes, a bust to home owners insurance

[–] OriginalUsername7@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

This could be devastating to kite sales.

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[–] WFloyd@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (10 children)

When wind speed doubles, the energy it carries increases eightfold,

Edit: I'm wrong, see edit below!

Huh? Kinetic energy increase is square, not cubic.

KE=1/2 m v^2

So every doubling of speed should increase the available kinetic energy by 4 times, not 8. 3 times the speed is 9 times the energy. Granted there are probably some efficiency gains in excess of this at the low end, ~~but as a rule that's just wrong.~~

Edit: Cool, I learned something new! I neglected to consider it in terms of power, just thought about kinetic energy.

So something like: KE = 1/2 m v^2

= 1/2 ( rho V) v^2

= 1/2 ( rho A d) (d/t)^2

= 1/2 rho A d^3 1/t^2

Where P = KE/t

Thus:

P = 1/2 rho A (d/t)^3

= 1/2 rho A v^3

Lots of other aspects I'm sure I have wrong, but I see how the cubic came to be.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 24 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Its cubic actually

https://thundersaidenergy.com/downloads/wind-power-impacts-of-larger-turbines/

I don't understand the physics, but every model of power output from wind turbines uses V^3 for the formula

[–] deltamental@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's a good link.

During the stampede scene in the Lion King, imagine the wildebeests were stampeding twice as fast. Then Simba's dad Mufasa would not only have quadruple the amount of energy imparted by each wildebeest, but also be trampled by twice as many wildebeests per second, so the rate of energy imparted on Mufasa per second would be 4 x 2 = 8 times greater when velocity doubles.

[–] AceBonobo@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Education via childhood trauma

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[–] Beaker@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 days ago

Increasing the speed increases both the kinetic energy of the wind hitting the turbines and the amount of wind that hits the turbines each second.

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This thread is telling me one thing and one thing only: I need to see Big Hero 6...

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[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Saw this in Big Hero Six. It's a crazy concept. Hopefully it works.

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