SpaceCowboy

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -2 points 3 days ago (13 children)

I'm pretty sure it's just Trump breaking the world order and eroding the freedom of Americans.

When the Israel-Hamas war is over do you really think everything is going to go back to normal in the US and the rest of the world?

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I think Israel is foolish. They are protected by their international support and not viable on their own. Trump is unpredictable and nationalistic.

That's weird logic. If we're going with Trump being unpredictable, then it really doesn't matter what Israel does in terms of maintaining support from Trump.

And countries don't base foreign policy based on what teenagers on the internet want. They base it on interests. What has Israel done that goes against anyone's national interests? Iran is a thorn in everyone's side, and Hezbollah has been weakened and cut off from easy supply from Iran because Assad's regime is gone. It's not in anyone's interest for Iran to have nuclear weapons, and Israel has proven their capability in taking out Iran's air defenses. The Houthis are a problem for global trade and Trump isn't going to hit them as long as they keep to their deal and not hit US shipping.

So given everyone's interests most countries might wag their finger at Israel publicly for political reasons, but people in power know that if their people were taken hostage by terrorists, they'd do much the same thing as Israel has done. The US has become unreliable in dealing with the middle east (not really caring about Houthis attacking other country's shipping) so they need an ally in the region to keep Iran and their proxies in check. And Israel has demonstrated a lot of capability in that regard. So do you think countries are going to isolate Israel for the sake of a small group of protesters constantly shouting insane slogans?

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The only way Russia can win is if Trump bails them out. Which is a possibility, but that would just be Trump breaking things.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -2 points 3 days ago

Palestinians that lived in what is now Israel are very old and very few in number now. Israelis won't feel safe with having Palestinians moving into their neighbourhoods after what happened on October 7 for at least another generation.

So right of return is dead now. Hamas killed it.

But there are the settlements. Israel has returned land from settlements to Palestinians in the past. They did this in on part of Palestine... Gaza. And there was never any problems from Gaza ever again after that, right? Nope, what happened was a plurality of Palestinians voted for Hamas and once they were in power there weren't any more elections in Gaza.

The problem mostly stems around poor leadership. Given their past experiences with attempts to exchange land for peace always ending in Palestinians seeing it as a sign of weakness, Israelis turned to Netanyahu who sucks. Palestinians have been convinced they should hate Israelis so they turn to Hamas (fascists who use hatred as tool to gain and maintain power). Fatah is an alternative, but they are corrupt and since it's easy to blame Israel for everything there's no incentive to root out corruption.

But there are plenty of Israelis that don't like Netanyahu. There are plenty of Palestinians that are against Hamas. You just won't hear about them much on lemmy because people here tend to think of countries as "good guys" and "bad guys" and discussing internal politics of countries goes against the simple narratives people like.

And we should not ignore the problem of Iran's government. There obviously isn't going to much of chance for peace if there's a country in the region that will send rockets to whatever faction is willing to fire them at Israel. Before October 7, we were very close to seeing official recognition of Israel by the Saudis and normalization of relations. This kind of thing isn't in Iran's interests and they have proxies that can attack Israel so...

October 7 was obviously beyond previous attacks but it's been an ongoing conflict between Israel and Iran's proxies for decades. So how do you convince an authoritarian theocratic regime to chill out on a country their whole propaganda system has villainized for decades? So... once again bad leaders.

So yeah... we could only wish this was just a land for peace kind of problem. That's hard to solve to be sure, but nothing compared to the complexities involved with the various factions throughout the region.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Nobody takes you seriously when you max out on the hyperbole.

And now you're just wildly accusing people of racism for pointing out facts. What is it you're hoping to accomplish by this?

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I remember some kid in elementary school once said to me "I'm not racist because I hate all races equally!"

He thought he was super clever to come up with that.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

Crazy idea, but maybe we should end our dependence on oil? Wars cost money and we fund those wars when we buy oil. We pretend to be upset when we see the suffering caused by war, but then vote for whoever we think will bring down the price of gas and then pretend we don't understand why there's war in an oil rich region of the world.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

Only simple according to the internet narratives.

The options are: a) convince Hamas to release the hostages b) convince Israel to abandon their people c) wait for the IDF to find where Hamas is hiding and free the hostages (or more likely in most cases, find the bodies of those abducted) while urging restraint.

Option a) is difficult because Hamas is a group of psychopaths. There have been some hostages released in exchange for ceasefires and release of Hamas fighters from prison, but then that just means more people the IDF will fight when Hamas stops releasing hostages. If this were a conflict out in an empty field then whatever, but since the battlefield is a densely populated urban environment, this means civilian casualties.

Option b) just isn't going to happen.

So option c) is the only one left while there's constant talks to negotiate a ceasefire. Current status on that: Israel has agreed to a ceasefire if Hamas releases the hostages and Hamas has said they "look favourably on a ceasefire" but they always say that.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They should just have Trump's dumbass UCW event end with a fight between Trump and the Ali Khamenei. Both are demented authoritarian old fools, and it would be funny to have these "tough guys" in a ring barely able to stand up before a punch is even thrown.

But they're both cowards that make others do violence for them so that'll never happen.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

You're assuming Iran has competent leadership.

 

Protest swiftly condemned by all levels of government; organizing group denies hospital targeted

Toronto police say they are increasing their presence along hospital row after a pro-Palestinian protest downtown on Monday night, including outside Mount Sinai Hospital.

Toronto Police Service spokesperson Stephanie Sayer told CBC News the increased police presence is to ensure that essential hospital services and emergency routes remain accessible.

"Interfering with the operations of a hospital is not acceptable," Sayer wrote in an email.

Police have not said if the hospital's operations were impacted by the protest. The hospital has not responded to CBC News's request for comment.

"The Toronto Police Service is investigating several incidents that occurred in front of Mount Sinai Hospital and along the demonstration route. As we have said before, officers use their discretion during large crowd demonstrations and even if arrests are not deemed safe to make at the time, investigations will continue and charges can be laid at a later date," Sayer said.

 

GENEVA, Jan 26 (Reuters) - The United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) said on Friday it had opened an investigation into several employees suspected of involvement in the Oct. 7 attacks in Israel by Hamas and that it had severed ties with those staff members. "The Israeli authorities have provided UNRWA with information about the alleged involvement of several UNRWA employees in the horrific attacks on Israel on October 7," said Philippe Lazzarini, UNRWA Commissioner-General.

"To protect the agency's ability to deliver humanitarian assistance, I have taken the decision to immediately terminate the contracts of these staff members and launch an investigation in order to establish the truth without delay."

Lazzarini did not disclose the number of employees allegedly involved in the attacks, nor the nature of their alleged involvement. He said, however, that "any UNRWA employee who was involved in acts of terror" would be held accountable, including through criminal prosecution.

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