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Israel’s war in Gaza is chipping away at so much of what we – in the United States but also internationally – had agreed upon as acceptable, from the rules governing our freedom of speech to the very laws of armed conflict. It seems no exaggeration to say that the foundation of the international order of the last 77 years is threatened by this change in the obligations governing our legal and political responsibilities to each other.

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[–] known_unknown@lemmy.world 238 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

The Jewish people of the world deserve apology from the government of isreal for using their suffering as a political tool in service of genocide.

In conflating politics and imperialism with lineage and race, the political movement of Zionism sows incalculable hatred into the world in the name of Judaism, so that they can reap it later, when Jewish people suffer as meat shields, as justification for expansionism, and forever-war. Down with this theocratic shell game.

[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 98 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

As someone who is a Jewish refugee in the US, there are more than enough Jewish folks in Israel and around the US who are completely fine with what the government of Israel is doing. They should not be let off the hook. I say this fully realizing that the pro Palestinian sentiment has a large Jewish constituency in the US. So it’s not to paint with a broad brush. But people living in Israel are almost 3/4 in support of what is happening and the only protests in that country were from people who wanted to rescue the hostages but were fully on board with the horrors the country is committing in the name of Jews around the world. The conflation of a religion with an ethnicity will end up making us less safe.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 34 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

That's not because they're Jewish, though, it's because they've let their ego and pride overcome their empathy for their fellow human beings.

There's plenty of non-Jewish people who are also perfectly happy to profit off the suffering of Palestinians.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 8 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

My pro-palestinian praxis is making sure my Jewish neighbours have no reason to even think about aliyah. Jewish safety? It's here. Reverse doikayt.

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[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 113 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Zionism is a destructive toxic ideology of fascistic bloodlust and racial supremacy. It is the true descendent of Nazi ideology.

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 day ago (35 children)

Given that the Zionist movement was founded decades before the Nazi movement, I would say Nazis are the descendants.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

More accurately, they’re both separate descendants of ethnonationalism which was a popular ideology at that time. And still today, evidently, though it seemed to be in decline for a bit during the post-war period.

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[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Such a shame that doing anything about it, including asking nicely, would be rabidly antisemitic.

Edit: also acknowledging that it's both happening and a problem is antisemitic. You are allowed to day it would be bad if it did, and youre allowed to acknowledge whats happening only while you sing the popular zionist childrens song 'exterminate the brutes'.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 9 points 9 hours ago

The only victims of calling palestinian supporter antisemitic is non zionists jews who will exprerience more real antisemitism

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 37 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The split is between governments and the general public. I don't know too many individuals who are ok with what is going on. And if they are, they are being awfully quiet about it.

[–] madlian@lemmy.cafe 20 points 1 day ago

The people who are okay with it are the ones who hate the Muslims. Which is a shockingly large number of people and governments.

[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You should go and read some daily mail comments on articles about the war (genocide). They're a bunch of frothing murderous horrors.

[–] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Internet comments != real people

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

As someone who has to deal with real people at demonstrations regularly, these horrible genocidal sentiments are not just limited to internet trolls unfortunately.

Also as much as they are detached from the general population, all the politicians and Israel lobbyists and MIC lobbyists still are real people too.

Those articles always get a bunch of trolls though.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 5 points 1 day ago

But those people still elect those parties thst support israel. Why those parties would listen to people?

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 20 points 13 hours ago

Late stage capitalism is killing the world

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@lemmy.world 13 points 22 hours ago

the Mayans missed it by like ... 15 years

[–] razen@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

When are we going to talk about African wars?

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 26 points 18 hours ago (7 children)

When the US starts being the primary funder of them.

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[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 13 points 9 hours ago

Talk about them nobody stopping you bt you don't care you just need a way to deflect from the current topic and genocide

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In repression of counter speech against genocide in almost all western countries to some degree their hand has been shown once again to be prioritizing order over law's rotting corpse.

[–] Onyxonblack@lemmy.zip 6 points 23 hours ago

Not order. It's control and oppression, a tale as old as mankind.

[–] remotedev@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

This may be a stupid question, but why did we need to create Israel in the first place? If my memory from my shitty American education serves me, they had all these survivors of the Holocaust with nowhere to go, so they created Israel for them to live peacefully, fuck whoever was already living there.

But why couldn't they all just go back home? I know everyone was shipped off across Europe to the camps but like... surely they remembered where they lived before? Everything was bombed to hell but that's the same for whoever lived there, Jewish or not. Am I missing a piece that makes the need for their own country to make sense?

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

It’s actually a good question. We didn’t.

The desire to create a country Israel came about in the 1800s, when Theodor Herzl looked at anti-semitism in Europe and concluded that Jews would never be accepted by countries or have any political power so the only way to get ahead in such a nationalistic world would be to make their own country. It was built on an anachronistic set of ideas; religion was tied to your citizenship of a country. Turkey represented European Muslims and UK/France/Germany represented Christians, and he concluded there was no way Jews could be considered equal citizens in Europe.

Originally the plan was to buy land in Africa or South America and declare a new country there. It was a purely secular plan to build an ethnostate. The World Zionist Congress had a vote and they narrowly approved to build the country in British mandate Palestine, not for religious reasons but because the connection to Jerusalem would help motivate immigration and tourism. They almost had it in Uganda or Argentina or Madagascar.

The holocaust merely accelerated the plan and gave a justification after the fact to build the country. Initially Israeli society didn’t like having holocaust survivors and they weren’t treated well, only today are they out on a pedestal and used as justification for their colonialism.

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[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago

It was more “given up” rather than “freely given” to the Zionists. They were resolute invaders and ferocious terrorists. And once they tuned their sights from the local population to the British, the British fucked off real fast. Then did the paperwork.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

Our imaginations have always fallen short with regard to World War III. The only thing anyone can visualize is total nuclear destruction, but this world definitely has another actual world war left in it where conventional forces fight it out across multiple fronts, largely through proxies but orchestrated by the major powers. The world economy will plunge into chaos for a decade or more. The political situation in every country around the world will turn to shit. Fascism will bloom and commit mass atrocities. Oh shit… that’s all already happening.

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