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[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Yeah, I don’t know how to solve the issues of two separate families feeling ownership for the same location (fifty years ago, a Palestinian family including several living members was evicted from a home, and an Israeli couple moved in and then died, leaving their property to their children who played no role in taking the property from the Palestinians), but the solution is not to deport all of the Israelis from the region.

My first instinct would be that the government would need to build a LOT of desirable housing and offer a cash incentive to all current and former residents to cede ownership claims to other properties in exchange for the deed to one of the newer properties, but it immediately occurs to me that the wealth difference between the average Palestinian family and the average Israeli family is probably large enough that there would essentially be a self-selection bias. Especially given the fact that poverty and food insecurity reduce our ability to make good financial decisions.

I can’t think of a resolution for that situation that doesn’t involve someone feeling resentful. I’m not saying they have equal claim- but I know that the descendants of settlers are also people, who don’t want to be evicted from the (stolen) houses in which they were raised, and sowing resentment has not helped the region in the past.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, eminent domain exists for this reason, but generally, compensation for stolen property is the norm because of the difficulty of dealing with inheritances and the like several steps removed from the original crime.

Recognizing the validity of residency is not the same as recognizing privilege. "You can stay under the same criteria as anyone else, because we aren't here to engage in ethnic cleansing" and "Your property is sacrosanct and cannot be touched under any circumstances" are two different concepts, after all.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh, there are a thousand ways they could improve their current way of handling it. I just don’t know what the best way would be, though it would definitely involve eminent domain. I guess a lottery system for determining which families get the ancestral home?

I used to take solace in the fact that people smarter than I were in charge of this, so they could do better than that as a solution, but I’m increasingly skeptical that they actually will.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

One of the most horrific things to learn in life is that not only are people in power often shitheads, they're often stupid shitheads as well.

It's... frustrating when examining policy discussions on an academic level.

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[–] Googlies@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (34 children)

Israel is allowed to literally cause a holocaust on the Palestinian people for the last 70+ years, backed by seemingly the majority of the political landscape and the population. Israelis chanting death to entire ethnicities but nooooo we can't say anything that might hurt their poor lil feelings. Bunch of bollocks. You lot are a bunch of clowns that are entirely too comfortable with the deaths of brown people.

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[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I hold equal disdain for all Abrahamic Religions.

They are a plague.

[–] needanke@feddit.org 7 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

Why limit your disdain to abrahamic religions?

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[–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (15 children)

The meme itself is fine.

But shilling a one-state solution with it?

Not cool.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Thanks to Netanyahu and his goonies (such as Trump and Starmer) the word anti-semitist has lost all meaning.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 17 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Albert Einstein is 100% correct. Read his letter to the NY Times.

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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Any criticism of the Israeli government, no matter how milquetoast, gets called anti-semitic by defenders, folks shouldn't be shocked when people shrug after a while, say, "guess I'm anti-semitic now", and really let loose.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Any criticism of the Israeli government, no matter how milquetoast, gets called anti-semitic by defenders, folks shouldn’t be shocked when people shrug after a while, say, “guess I’m anti-semitic now”, and really let loose.

Uh, except for the bit where 'letting loose' is 'revealing that they actually are antisemitic'. I generally assume that people, and especially left-leaning people, aren't antisemitic even if Israel critiques them as such; to find out that a very nonzero amount actually are, and a much larger amount are willing to endorse or tolerate those antisemitic views, is deeply disturbing.

[–] homoludens@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

generally assume that people, and especially left-leaning people, aren’t antisemitic even if Israel critiques them as such

Aa a German leftist I cannot assume that. For example, German leftists placed a bomb at a Holocaust memorial event in a jewish community center in 1969. And during the hijacking of an Air France flight the RZ separated the passengers and kept only those with Israeli passports or "jewish sounding names" etc. as hostages (German Wikipedia, German article with quotes from RZ members).

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Fun fact: two distinct events from 1969 and 1976 might not accurately represent the Left in 2025.

For one thing, everyone who participated in those atrocious acts are elderly or dead now. Most of the Left are neither.

[–] KurtVonnegut@mander.xyz 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I do think that most of the left wing people that ever lived are dead.

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 13 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (7 children)

I really don't understand people who think a one state solution is possible anymore. I'm not sure if it ever was but certainly at this point it's not viable.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 15 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Nothing is "viable" if you just extrapolate the present, except I guess genocide.

To take a step back, moral ambition and political courage are necessary. If Ireland could reach a Good Friday Agreement, if South Africa could overcome apartheid, so can Palestine/Israel.

A plurinational democratic state with equal rights for all, with a truth and reconciliation process, and with strong international support is the only way the middle east can ever reach peace.

And if we are putting on big boy pants and imagining a better world, why not envision the Mediterranean Union becoming a force for democratization and stabilization allowing the free movement of people throughout the region.

When realism is dystopian, fuck realism and pick utopia. Otherwise, why even live?

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Israel is already a one state solution, it contols all the territory from the river to the sea, and commiting apartheid and genocide.

End apartheid and you have a single state where everyone is free.

One apartheid state is no viable.

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[–] sknob@lemmy.world 12 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

So many people on the left for whom jew = Zionist = fascist Israeli. It plays right in the hand of all the actual right-wingers and fascists supporting Israel. Appalling and stupid.

[–] febra@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Isn't that the stance of Israel as well? They claim to be the representatives of all jewish people.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I get the sentiment and I'd agree, but it would be so much easier if not over half the Israeli population is now supporting a genocide. You think they know better, of all people

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago

Oh we out here making friends in these comment sections today.

[–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago

Shit can I get expelled back to Britain? They got their own problems but fuck, my family is in the domesday book, can I go back?

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 7 points 10 hours ago

Unfortunately, the term "antisemitic" no longer has any kind of fixed meaning. I wish that weren't true, and I think it's a combination of forces that decided to misuse the word for several decades, that have now led to it being meaningless.

And you might be tempted to tell me what you think it means, and maybe I could agree with you, but when I turn on the TV tomorrow someone else will be using it in a totally different way that's inconsistent. Actually I'm kidding. I don't have a TV.

[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Though I see few anti-semitic remarks, other than the ones about Palestinians.

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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

But do the Israelis WANT to integrate though ?

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[–] Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

If it's antisemitic to call out and despise those that support the genocide of innocent children and civilians, then I'm a proud antisemite. That hill I WILL die on.

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I do not think this is the point they were making, like at all.

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[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

The meme is literally, explicitly, saying the opposite. That's not antisemitic.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, that's not antisemitic in the least. Israel is committing a genocide, and it should be treated as a pariah state and all measures possible employed against it to pressure it to cease.

What is antisemitic is, as mentioned in the title and seen advocated by people in this very comment section, advocating for the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Israel, especially when combined with the bizarre notion that Israel-born Israelis can just be shipped back to where their ancestors came from in Europe, like some bizarre mirror image of the Nazis in the 1930s planning to ethnically cleanse Germany of Jews by shipping them to where their ancestors came from in Palestine.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

So glad the literal antisemites came out on this post to play apologist for ethnically cleansing Israeli Jews 'back where they came from' in Europe for the crime of being born in Israel. I'm trying to think of how this differs from the Nazis wanting to deport Jews to Israel, but I'm coming up with a blank.

I guess there must be something substantially different, though, because obviously these brave anti-imperialists would never be antisemites. Even when they advocate for literal fucking genocide based on the very compelling and principled argument of "Israel committed genocide first!" /s

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