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They're coming for everyone. This is the boot stomping on a human face for all of eternity that 1984 warned us about.
Men will be subjagated, women enslaved. Immigrants, trans, and disabled or mentally ill removed one way or another. After that, I don't know. I don't expect to be here past that point so I haven't looked that far ahead lol
But climate change is coming. And possibly ww3, this time with even more nukes I imagine.
I guess the oligarchs can enjoy their silos.
I don’t expect to be here past that point so I haven’t looked that far ahead lol
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'll be gone in the second wave. Either dead from losing access to my cancer medications or dead in an El Salvadorian prison without my cancer medications.
You're being really negative and focusing too much on your cancer medications. C'mon, think of all the other great ways you could die! All the safety and infrastructure associations are getting dismantled, so you could easily fall down something or get crushed. If you want to focus on medications, have you ever considered forced medical trials??
/s and my heart always hurts for you, but I hope you found a chuckle in there somewhere.
Well that's your fault for being a lefty terrorist, innit?
Getting cancer and needing money is communism and terrorism and real nazism and all other isms. Pull yourself up by the bootstraps and join the 20 or so billionaires in the government or die. Welcome to the American dream, no, trying to wake up from it is also terrorism.
Yeah but have you considered taking more vitamin A?
I don't think we're so far gone that we must lose hope.
First: maybe you're right, and this is the end of everything we've ever held dear, the end of all hope forever. But if that's true, then everything is futile, which gets you nowhere. Plus, nobody can predict the future, so however compelling this idea is, it's still ultimately a theory. What's the point of believing a theory that only makes you feel like shit?
Remember that despair only serves the enemy. Moreover, despair is a coping mechanism, an escape - if it's all hopeless, you don't have to fight back, so you don't have to face the possibility of loss and defeat. Whatever happens to you, is this how you want to live?
Lemmy sure loves doomerism, but I'm going to post the facts that currently give me hope anyway:
The Nazis stayed popular because they actually fixed Germany's economy, at least in the short term. Trump and his cabal of idiots have conclusively shown that they are neither capable of nor interested in this.
They are already massively unpopular. Even in the kinds of business circles that supported Hitler then and would support him today - the fucking Wall Street Journal is criticizing Trump. Bezos' mouthpiece. Also, y'know, there's massive rallies and grassroots organizing. Republicans chanting "tax the rich" at their representatives.
We've seen stronger, worse governments fall. Argentina's military junta waged a Dirty War for nearly a decade, using horrific mass torture to totally destroy their political opponents. They succeeded in wiping out all opposition. They even had majority support in the beginning (neither the Nazis nor Trump did). But the junta fell anyway - because they utterly destroyed their economy. Trump probably won't take a decade to do that.
In summary: hold on to hope, and fight back. You get to choose what that looks like for you. For me, it looks like: stopping my current doomscrolling, doing some chores so I can feel less shitty about how little I've done today, then doing some tonglen to deal with my own fear and grief and despair. It won't end fascism, but maybe it'll help me become functional enough to organize and build one day.
Good luck, and I hope that if I'm ever strong enough to join those who resist, I'll meet you among them.
I said they are coming for everyone, I didn't say I wasn't going to fight.
But folks need to recognize what the end goal is. And how serious attacks on immigrants, trans, and disabled folks are even for folks not targeted yet.
A boot on our face for eternity.
Fair enough. You can probably tell that I mostly wrote that reply to work through my own despair and apathy.
I'm just personally done with Orwellian imagery. As a faraway threat, the fear it inspires used to motivate me. Now it's no longer a faraway threat - it's right here. Now, after learning about ever-worsening mass surveillance, after seeing popular movements crushed, after years of burnout and despair, I find it only makes me want to curl up and die.
In general, I see a lot of people react this way to what's happening right now. So I try to share what little hope and strength I can muster. Maybe it'll help someone.
Let it motivate you comrade. The time is now.
Solidarity and mutual aid is the path forward. The Democrats were never going to save us. Collective action was always the way.
I mean shit, Biden backed out of the microplastics agreement right before he stepped out of office. That is their legacy and where their loyalties lie. With their lobbyists and donors and of course saving their own skin, not their constituents.
The nazis called them “useless eaters,” as I recall.
"Lebensunwertes Leben" life that doesn't deserve to live. Only a matter of time until Donnie borrows that one.
He’s already said “Disabled people should just die”, os not far off
I wish the media would stop portraying it as left vs right. In the UK, the traditionally left-leaning Labour party that is currently in power are also coming after disabled people. It's not left-right politics, it's the predatory billionaire class coming after everyone, taking the easiest targets first.
Their owners want you to focus on the culture war so you won't notice the class war.
It's America vs MAGA. Many versus few, while the few try to remove humans from the many.
Maybe corpo media will finally realize that they won't have any readers/viewers/listeners when there's no jobs and nobody left to consume their media.
Unlikely though. Status quo is so comfortable until it's too late.
How is left against accessibility? You say "traditionally", as well.
I'm Canadian and these terms are not jiving with me.
They're coming for everyone, and appear to be doing it in stages. Immigrants and foreigners first. Those with disabilities next. They're setting the ground work for judges and journalists already. After that it'll probably be gay people, or possibly black people. Democrats they'll likely save for last, as there are too many straight, white, male Dems to go after right now. They're going for the "there's no one left to speak out for me" method.
Oh gosh, you think? Damn, I wish we had a historical blueprint somewhere that could show us how a modern autocratic regime would go about eliminating their "unwanteds".
Oh hey turns out we have one, but no one ever considered it could happen in the US because Americans are super special snowflakes who can't do wrong. And according to that one, Democrats will actually be the first ones in camps. In fact it doesn't matter if you're not white or gay or whatever. As long as you support the regime, you will be safe under Trump, but not necessarily his successor.
Step 1 is ALWAYS coming after regime-critics first. Ethnonationalist concerns are second.
That's the funny thing: you won't even be safe if you support the regime. Fascism is a constant battle for power on every level and things can turn sour for anyone if they just happen to be on the wrong side even once.
This is exactly why I cannot fathom how some people are choosing to be apathetic about what’s happening to their neighbors. You see that in your neighborhood and you think you have anything to offer that will satisfy the hunger of capitalists turned fascists? Our lives are nothing more to them than another resource to exploit and bleed dry.
And according to that one, Democrats will actually be the first ones in camps.
No, according to that blueprint leftists and progressives will be the first ones in camps. Democrats are controlled opposition and are, in fact, beneficial to the regime. I mean why the heck would they go after a Schumer when they have Bernies to worry about?
Well true, the "far left" will be first, then the "moderate left", then "people in our own midst who fail the purity test". I've used the term Democrat as an umbrella.
That was a great watch. Scary how similar the situation in America is now as it was then in Germany. Because there is no one who can save the US, as there are no Allies this time around.
Don't worry, I was assured by many Very Serious Leftists on here that nothing would change under a Trump presidency and that I was just fearmongering.
Tankies all
Some were just garden-variety idiots.
Not all idiots are tankies but...
Maybe that's just me but I never saw anyone here say anything about that. I'm pretty sure most Very Serious Leftists will tell you that while nothing would change in Palestine, a lot would change in America.
Unfortunately, if you're seriously interested, I can give you a long list of examples from pre-election arguments I had with people.
Wait what the shit? I wanna see that.
https://lemmy.world/comment/14674367
We were going to end up in the same place whether democrats or republicans won. It’s just more pleasing to you draped in blue instead of red. I thought maybe TDS democrats would finally start fighting for Palestine once Trump came into office, but they instead turned their derangement on the people who don’t want American to fund and safeguard a genocide. Crazy times we are witnessing.
https://lemmy.world/post/12247352/7775795
This, but unironically. No point in electing a different fascist. We have to cut the tumor out of the body.
https://lemmy.world/post/21302719/13116088
My honest feeling, and this is just speculation, but it seemed like it was easier to organize large protest movements under trump than under Biden. Once Biden got into office all the liberals stopped supporting protest and started defending the status quo.
I doubt it will be as easy in a fascist police state.
America is a fascist police state right now
Police reaction to protests was about the same under both trump and Biden
https://lemmy.world/post/21302719/13108379
The point is nobody is saved by electoral politics instead do actual organizing and actions.
https://lemmy.world/post/20205865/12584685
To leftists that have been paying attention to the DNC’s politics and how they serve the American empire, a DNC win is the “bad guys” winning. Just the same way a GOP win would be.
https://lemmy.world/post/20720227/12824714
If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you deserve to get the greater evil.
https://lemmy.world/post/20720227/12824370
Voting for Trump or Harris is the same result. Some rich ass who doesnt give a rats ass about me or my community and just wants to funnel money to their rich friends. Its like two-faces double headed coin. Neither gives a shit. Fuck both parties and their candidates.
My blood pressure is rising looking back through them, and Lemmy.world having its first outages in two weeks isn't helping me search, so I'll leave it here.
Some of these are pretty insane, but some also make sense (especially without the benefit of hindsight). "Nobody is saved by electoral politics" for example is, well... that's exactly what happened.
“Nobody is saved by electoral politics” for example is, well… that’s exactly what happened.
"Nobody is saved by electoral politics" pretty clearly implies "Nobody can be saved by electoral politics, by the nature of electoral politics in this society", not "Nobody will be saved by electoral politics in this election, because I believe firmly in the inevitable victory of the immeasurably worse candidate to win by 2% of the vote"
As someone who's been predicting Harris would lose since August, both are true. Also rather than "in this society" it's "everywhere". The way I like to put it is that electoral politics is only the victory lap; you go out and do activism work, build a base of support, spread your ideas, create a movement, negotiate with or (metaphorically or literally) come to blows with the establishment and finally ask people to vote for you or your ideas in the election. So with that in mind, nobody anywhere is saved by electoral politics alone because whether you win or lose in the election hinges on doing the actual hard work before and during campaign season. And if you want to ask "do I need to do all this when my idea is that I want to stop fascism", the answer is I think quite demonstrably yes.
As someone who’s been predicting Harris would lose since August, both are true.
... not unless you think that the election of Harris would have resulted in the same scenario we're facing now?
Also rather than “in this society” it’s “everywhere”. The way I like to put it is that electoral politics is only the victory lap; you go out and do activism work, build a base of support, spread your ideas, create a movement, negotiate with or (metaphorically or literally) come to blows with the establishment and finally ask people to vote for you or your ideas in the election. So with that in mind, nobody anywhere is saved by electoral politics alone because whether you win or lose in the election hinges on doing the actual hard work before and during campaign season.
That's generally not what people mean when they say 'electoral politics' though. When they say 'electoral politics', they are generally talking about the entirety of electoral politics, not just election day. "You will never destroy the master's house with the master's tools" is how they usually put it. They are not advocating for a more robust participation in bourgeois democracy, they are advocating for revolutionary action and, quite explicitly, the total rejection and nonparticipation in civic affairs under current government structures.
The non-insane version is 'harm reduction', wherein participation in bourgeois democracy is permissible so long as you don't confuse it for an end goal or a primary means.
That's generally not what people mean when they say 'electoral politics' though. When they say 'electoral politics', they are generally talking about the entirety of electoral politics, not just election day. "You will never destroy the master's house with the master's tools" is how they usually put it. They are not advocating for a more robust participation in bourgeois democracy,
I know. I said ask people to vote for you because that's the most relevant here, but there are other options for the victory lap, like a general strike, extended mass demonstrations, etc etc. I called it the victory lap for a reason; whether you decide to take it in the ballot box or the streets is a matter of tactics (though in this case I'd say the ballot box was the better option). At least how I think of it is that if you consider electoral politics your primary battlefield you will lose, as the primary battlefield is and will always be the hearts, minds and fucks to give of the people, but there's no reason to not use them to seal the deal if you can.
they are advocating for revolutionary action and, quite explicitly, the total rejection and nonparticipation in civic affairs under current government structures.
As someone with limited exposure to leftists outside the Fediverse I can't confirm or deny that statement, so I guess I'll just take it with a grain of salt, but it seems to me that there's room for nuance between unquestioning participation in the system and unquestioning denial of the system.
As someone with limited exposure to leftists outside the Fediverse I can’t confirm or deny that statement, so I guess I’ll just take it with a grain of salt, but it seems to me that there’s room for nuance between unquestioning participation in the system and unquestioning denial of the system.
As noted in the last-moment edit I slipped in, hoping to get it done before anyone read the comment, the non-insane (and much more widespread) version is harm reduction.
Here on the Fediverse, MLs and fellow-travelers of that sort are much more widespread than IRL, and they tend towards more... uncompromising positions. At least when their least-favorite bourgeois democracies are concerned.
Okay I just now realized that my instance doesn't federate with the tankie triad and that's why I don't see most of the insane stuff. Carry on with your day.
Where Palestine goes, we all go.
Until everyone who really believes in freedom and liberty understands that, good luck out there.
Any group that is different from the Nazi norm will be persecuted by Republican scum.
I always see this dude in Burbank rolling around in his power chair with a Trump and American flag sticking off the back. My first thought when I saw this post
First they came for x and I didn't speak up.
Then they came for y and I didn't speak up.
I may be misquoting here but the sentiment and line of thinking is the same.
First they came for the Palestinians....
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people with accessibility needs can't read this
bruh
First they came for the disabled people, and I said nothing because I was not disabled yet.
Then they came for the immigrants and I said nothing because my ancestors stole this land generations ago.
Then they came for the transgender people, and I said nothing because I was not trans.
Then they came for the rest of the people of color and I said nothing because I was white.
Then they came for the Jewish people and I said nothing because I was not Jewish.
Then they came for the rest of the queers and I said nothing because I was not queer.
Then they came for the leftists and I said nothing because I was not a leftist.
Then they came for the rest of the women and I said nothing because I was not a woman.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to fight for me.
I hope they start with Texas governor Greg Abbott
Gov Hot Wheels
He's pretty much the perfect example of pulling the ladder up behind you with his policies about disabled people. You could throw in there the eventual instance of the inner circle turning against him, but that hasn't happened quite yet.
