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[–] chameleon@fedia.io 74 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

For the benefit of people that can't watch this horrible video:

This is really about them being able to change the already extremely vague terms of service and you having no recourse other than voiding your purchase if you don't like it. There is some focus on a gun thing early on, but it's just an example where they flip-flopped multiple times over the years based on vague wording in the ToS that was changed after the fact. Commercial modded server owners were the main ones that had to make changes because of that rule, often taking guns away from players that had them, but it's generally enforced very inconsistently.

But the main thing they're focusing on in the lawsuit is the mass deletion of legitimately bought Minecraft copies when they stopped Mojang account migration in 2023 (everyone that didn't migrate then no longer owns Minecraft according to Microsoft; no refunds). That, too, was effectively a one-sided ToS change. And to make matters worse, the old ToS had an explicit clause that you could keep playing the game in singleplayer even without agreeing to any new ToS.

This lawsuit is being done in Sweden. I don't know if this kind of ToS/contract validity has actually been tested there before.

I think this is the first time I ever watched a video at 0.5 speed. "this was done due to retention purposes for the video to maximize spread potential". Yeeeaaaah. No. Checked reddit, it's downvoted to the negatives over form. Checked a different place that would be all over this, entire topic is discussing the form and there's not one mention of what it's about because nobody got that far. The exact kind of person that might take time out of their day to join a class action is not going to watch this garbage. I think it's good to have this tested, but I straight up don't trust this guy. Supposedly maximizing views while getting zero information through to anyone is not going to help the cause.

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 3 weeks ago

i hope he wins the lawsuit (the forced migration with no refunds was very bad), but dammit that guy sounds insufferable.

in the first video, one of his main motivators for starting the lawsuit, was that he made a server with guns, mojang made servers with guns against their eula, but just after this guy paid the 1000$ for the twitter gold checkmark on his server’s account…

mojang making shitty eula decisions sucks, but is it grounds to sue? idk

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Happened to me, happened again with KSP, I will own nothing and be kinda pissed off about it apparently.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

They deleted my alpha account D:

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I think this is the first time I ever watched a video at 0.5 speed.

I actually sped up the video to 1.5X because there was no text article as an alternative...

Is it really that bad? The point was pretty articulate to me.

[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 58 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Going to copy my post over from the original for anyone wondering why because the description does nothing to explain:

I watched a few minutes of it and finally got to it... If I got it right, the guy suing them wanted to make a mod with guns. Mojang said no and got it shut down. He's suing because he believes a company shouldn't have any say over how users might modify their games.

[–] joyjoy@lemmy.zip 37 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Since they need permission, I can only assume they want to sell their mod on the bedrock marketplace. I thought Microsoft controlled that.

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

there's 11 pages of results if you search "gun" through Modrinth, you're absolutely correct

the marketplace is "curated" mods, if the guy wants to make paid mods that go against the "curation" he's gotta make a patreon or something, and handle his own marketing for it

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Seems a stupid thing to sue about. Microsoft has rules about the content you want to sell through them, the content they're essentially endorsing.

That sounds reasonable.

If you want to make something outside their content limits and you expect them to endorse it... Why? That's not how anything works.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Which was what was done with the weather mod. Mojang didn't like it because what people really want for weather mod is hurricanes, mojang don't like anything too destructive like that which you can kind of understand, you can't really do a normal playthrough with it on.

It makes it a totally different game.

But I don't think anyone really cared and I don't think it's had a particularly adverse effect on the mod developer, they've got plenty of backers I doubt there's any interest in suing mojang over it.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

He could install Luanti and mod to his heart's content.

Like, legality aside, he's fighting to add value to a game whose publisher has tried to prevent him.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

I'd say he's fighting to keep what was legally promised to him in the contract provided to customers.

[–] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, you can install multiple gun mods right from the menu.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Isnt it like, over a decade too late for mojang to complain about a gun mod in minecraft? That ship has long since sailed

[–] joyjoy@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 weeks ago

Nobody can stop you from making a Java Edition mod. The only thing you can't do is sell it.

[–] starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

Probably why he wanted to sue in the first place but the actual lawsuit is over deleting minecraft accounts that didn't migrate to Microsoft accounts. That restriction was not present in the original TOS, and seems to be illegal to change without the user accepting a new TOS (that isn't forced under threat of deleting what you own).

[–] slowcakes@programming.dev 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Lmao, the way the video is cut made it impossible to watch, it's so bad. Why cut every pause between Words, that is probably a lot of work to make the video shitier.

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 weeks ago

Mr Beast has done unrepairable damage

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Almost all YouTubers do it, especially video essayists and vloggers. I think they're cutting out anytime they pause or say "um" to keep the video going so there's not a lot of bullshit.

But who actually knows, I'm just guessing.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I only appreciate this because I hate watching videos of, and prefer reading text on subjects like this. Videos are so much slower.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

This is awful and stupid. Godspeed, plaintiffs.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 3 points 3 weeks ago

Huh. I think he’s got some good arguments. I wish him luck!

[–] devolution@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Why can't children simply have something they enjoy without some fuckards trying to ruin it?

Like minecraft doesn't need guns. Or blood. Or pedos. They got Roblox for that.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago

We're talking about a modder making something as a hobby/passion project, not some suit trying to push that to everyone.