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[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 250 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Gotta hand it to the fossil fuels industry, they got what they wanted and their propaganda worked.

And now Americans have a janky grid, slower / more expensive transportation, and bigger power bills.

[–] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 128 points 1 week ago (1 children)

At least we are free*

*Terms and conditions apply

[–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 107 points 1 week ago (2 children)
  1. Be rich
  2. Be white
  3. Be male
  4. Be "Christian"
  5. Be straight
  6. just kidding be rich
[–] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The last ones the one that matters most but their supporters can’t read a list that long in one sitting.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 10 points 1 week ago

6 is the “one of the good ones” clause

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Capitalism doesn't solve for society, it solves for capital.

There is no profit in making the world a better place.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 87 points 1 week ago (4 children)

renowned expert in Chinese technology and founder of the media company Tech Buzz China, [Rui Ma]

Is the person they’re talking about who is “stunned” at how super double awesome China is at powering AI.

Ffffffffffffffuck this.

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[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 79 points 1 week ago (16 children)

The race to have the magic box that tells you lies that you want to hear while also consuming incredible amounts of resources...why is this a race again?

[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The telling lies part is not good, but I think the dream of AI is a servant (or slave) with unlimited potential that can solve, until now, unsolvable problems. Cure for cancer, sure that will be $10k a pill. Eternal life? Sure that will be 1 million dollars a years for all eternity. Robot army to protect you? Top of the list.
Question I have is, is the AI we see the same AI the teck bros see? Is there a public interface that is made to appear a little buffoonish so the masses can laugh it off, but the real interface is much much better?

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Those things are being solved by other forms of AI, not LLMs. AlphaFold is about the most useful thing AI has done so far and it's not a chatbot.

We get access to entertainment AI, but there could be different forms of AI in use in medical science that have nothing to do with image or text generation.

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[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Conservatism is collapsing into irrelevance as a long term commitment.

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago

Close. Conservatism is collapsing the United States of America into irrelevance.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I don't really give a shit about the AI race and I genuinely hope that we lose it, because I feel like being a winner in that "industry" is inherently unsustainable.

The AI hype is so infuriatingly frustrating.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Further, fear mongering about China's data center/powergrid infrastructure superiority is also the PERFECT excuse techbros need to rationalize building data centers in parts of the US that are in desperate shortage of water for human beings and with precarious electrical grids that are ready to fail in the middle of the next heatwave.

The US is essentially in a second Civil War and this will be one of the main methods in which people are killed, i.e. purposefully setting up the conditions for people to die in a heat wave and have no water so they are desperate... and the only way people in the US are going to stomach it is if they have been truly convinced they have to accept these brutal conditions "because we are hopelessly behind China and we can't afford to stop building data centers!!".

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[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I just want anyone else to win. All the things. I want US Hegemony to end. At any cost. If that's AI then good.

I hate this country the way Saw Gerrera hates the empire.

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[–] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago (3 children)

AI is not the panacea they're making it out to be. This article is attempting to influence readers to support American AI business models to 'complete' with China. Except that AI doesn't make my job easier and is very bad for the environment.

[–] SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

In my case, AI assistants are even confusing and annoying, but since they cannot be turned off, in my case I have to endure it.

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[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The first country to adopt LLMs for everything is the one that will collapse first. This is a race where the winners never start and at best stop before they reach the end.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (30 children)
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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Don’t worry. They’ll just ask AI about the grid and it will tell them how great it is.

Edit: or it’ll say FEED ME MORE!

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 week ago

"good catch! That's a very astute observation. Here's a bunch of paragraphs explaining (incorrectly) how you're wrong!"

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[–] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Good, fuck the AI industry, we can’t even go to the doctor over here

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[–] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That level of cushion is unthinkable in the United States, where regional grids

Yeah, capitalism will resolve everything by being greedy. Electricity is not and will never be a merchandise. It's a basic human need and a natural state monopoly.

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[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

can't use power to make everyone use electric cars need power for "AI"

Nice job you jabroonies you did it you lost everything. This is the slow descent of America and it the boomers fault.

My father in law is convinced theres some guy in a garage that's gonna invent the next big invention, but hey guess what it takes MONEY that regular joe schmoes dont have!!

[–] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 week ago

Anyone who is working on the next big project in his garage is just signing his own death certificate. That’s the truth about the American energy industry and capitalism’s free markets make “healthy competition economy” myth. Traditional American capitalism is long dead.

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[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

So, a few months ago China launched Deepseek and the narrative on US media was all "the fact they didn't have access to the latest Nvidia GPUs forced them to get creative and develop a model that is more efficient and cheaper".

Now the US is getting behind on "AI wars" because China has more energy for huge data centers?

How about the US get creative and develop LLMs that are actually useful and can work without sucking Gigafucks of electricity?

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

china has also been investing in solar for decades since the us gave up on it and became the leader

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enough talk already i wish the us empire would just hurry up and actually collapse.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

we considered attacking you, but couldn't think of a way to ruín anything worse than you already had. Every idea we came up with, you had already done, but worse. I spent two years writing software to take down the grid in texas, and another two getting it into your systems. Then you just did it all manually, and some nazi asshole shot the infected substation until it blew up a month later! Fuck you, i liked this job. I went to college for this shit. You have ruined me. What the fuck am i gonna do now?

-some chinese saboteur

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

AFAIK in USA it is pretty common to build the power infra structure as part of the AI data-centers that need it.
This has already been pretty common for normal data-centers for years.
USA never really had good public service infra structure for it. While for instance in Denmark many companies build data-centers because Denmark both has good infrastructure, and also can supply data-centers with relatively cheap energy from renewable sources, without the company having to foot a giant bill to invest in that too.

The American model is of course inferior, but it's not like it doesn't work at all, it just makes it more expensive.
On the other hand, in USA they can bribe White House, and do almost whatever the fuck they want. That is NOT an option in China, where it can result in a literal death penalty for the CEO if tried!

[–] fitgse@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

For some. But Alabama power has raised rates AGAIN to build another 2 gas plants because of data centers. My power bill has increased by 50% in the last 6 years.

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[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I am very skeptical of any article that boldly claims that China is on the rise and the US is in decline. We've been hearing about this decades. People underestimate just how corrupt, dysfunctional, and incompetent the Chinese system is under the CCP. People think the US is worse only because the US is an open country. China's isolation give it the illusion that it's better, but in reality, it's even worse. Every major Chinese achievement from their mass transit system to their big corporations to their economic growth to them pulling ahead technologically to so many more, all come with big asterisks attached that make them much more questionable.

[–] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Chinese infrastructure and manufacturing lead is real. You don't need to believe any propaganda, just travel and observe.

The asterisks are not about their usecase but political.

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[–] sobchak@programming.dev 16 points 6 days ago

China leads the world in scientific publication, even when only taking into account reputable journals and high-impact publications. There's no doubt in my mind the US will decline further with the current attacks on science and education, and anti-intellectualism in general.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We've been hearing about this decades.

Yes, you've been hearind that for decades, just like climate change: if you wait for an abrupt treshold with a clear before/after cut , you're going to wait for a while.

China has developed an advanced high speed trains network. You have no idea how much US looks backward on that.

China still opens coal burning power plants, jut also a very large number of renewable and nuclear power plants. They're serious about electrification.

They took the lead in scientific publication.

US needs to put up tariffs to protect its car makers from being wiped out by Chinese ones. Western car makers rely more and more on Chinese batteries suppliers.

All the signs are there. You just need to ackowledge them.

People underestimate just how corrupt, dysfunctional, and incompetent the Chinese system is under the CCP.

As compared to what? In the US, corruption is legal, it's called campaign donation and SuperPAC. At this stage, elections pick which pack of oligarchs will rule: GOP donators or Dems donators.

If the system is so much better, where are the high speed trains, advanced power grid, decarbonation plan, school that can get high potentials to the top, decent healthcare system?

Where are the fruits of this less corrupt dysfunctional and incompetent system?

China's isolation give it the illusion that it's better, but in reality, it's even worse.

Alother delusion from local US news. China is not that isolated, they have developed deep relations with a number of countries in Africa and middle east, and they're a privileged trade partner with many more. Worse even: with the current US policy of tariffs, several countries that were reluctant to have deeper ties with China are pushed in their arms.

Every major Chinese achievement from their mass transit system to their big corporations to their economic growth to them pulling ahead technologically to so many more, all come with big asterisks attached that make them much more questionable.

Meaning what? Their high speed trains are absolutely working. In large cities, half of the cars in the street are electric cars, majority from domestic brands and a few Tesla. They have very advanced and very cheap mass transit networks.

As I was saying: it's just like global warming: if you sit and wait claiming it's not really happening and/or not that bad, you're totally unprepared when disasters hit you.

The only thing I will agree with you here is their emonomy is not half as great as they want to claim. The estate market has been in a free fall in all but the big 4 cities (Beijing, Shanghai, Guandong, Shenzhen).

But if the US wants to be the first power of the rest of the 21st century world, they need to wake up!

[–] LePoisson@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This is the dawn of the new Chinese century. I have no doubt in 20 more years China will be in an even stronger position as the USA continues to decline.

We, the USA, could do all the stuff that would make us competitive. That would require more socialism, more taxing of billionaires, more spending in green energy, education, transportation, healthcare becoming affordable and an actual human right for all in our borders, a real plan to transition off fossil fuels and shore up our domestic energy production and electric grid.

Idk more than that of course but that's the elevator pitch.

We won't do it though because corrupt capitalism and the oligarchy.

Maybe we will if at some point enough of us are struggling but we're pretty fat and have plenty of entertainment to distract us even if we are being fucked. So ... Yeah ... Desperately hoping I'm wrong about most of my predictions, devastated as I keep seeing them come true.

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[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

Brother it sounds like you underestimate what industrializing the largest population on earth looks like. It's not just happening, it's kinda inevitable.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's also coming from "AI Experts", so who cares what they have to say. The real question is, what's their angle by saying this?

[–] TorJansen@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To justify pouring trillions of dollars into AI in the US. Oh, and you're thirsty, so sorry, databank needs your water.

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