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It's only been a week, but I kind of hate them. Considering old-man bifocals now.

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[–] SadSadSatellite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 60 points 1 month ago (4 children)

There's a few points to note

-there are 1500 different progressive lenses, and a lot of stire are still selling 35 yeae old lenses. You get what you pay for, and avoid chains.

-the eyeglass industry is full of reps who think they're professionals, but don't actually know fuck all about how they work. What the other person said about measurements is way more obvious with a progressive. Because of this, online progressives are dogshit.

-if you're a hyperope, it takes more time to get used to the lenses. Plus prescriptions add more distortion, so it takes longer to adapt.

-the age you got the first progressive makes a huge difference. If you get one at 42, you'll have a much easier time than if you wait until 60, because the reading addition keeps getting stronger and causes more distortion. Side note, if you're over 42, you should be wearing a progressive. Stop lying to me and yourself.

-it takes about two weeks to feel natural, but you have to wear the glasses, and not switch back to an older pair. If you don't put in the effort, you'll be the old person with lines. If you wear them for two weeks and don't get used to them, theres something wrong with the lens.

  • get a premium, dual sided antireflective. Plus power lenses have more space between the surfaces, and double the effects of glare on the lens.

-don't take advice from anyone you know, youtube, or especially reddit. Nobody knows any of the actual science behind optics, they just keep parroting things that sound legit. Even supposed professionals in my industry are goddamn idiots, including most licensed opticians i know. The only sources of info that can be trusted are lifelong lab managers, and the people designing the products and systems of manufacture. Everyone else spouts buzzwords like they know what they're saying, or they saw a video once.

I'm an advanced optician running three offices and a lab, working towards my masters designation, and i'm infuriated to be one of the last professionals in this industry.

[–] classic@fedia.io 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mean, given all this, how tf is a layperson supposed to get the right product?

[–] br3d@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The same way a layperson knows how to get any medical intervention: taking the advice of a reputable qualified professional

[–] PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (3 children)

But the guy said even the pros can be idiots. Sorta throws it all out the window.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Isn't capitalism a blast?

[–] classic@fedia.io 2 points 1 month ago
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By avoiding the companies that made everything confusing and filled the world with misinformation and buzz words. No chain stores, no online retailers, no budget places.

Find a local optometry office, and get your script and lenses from the same place. Don't fall for branding, and understand you're getting a prosthetic. You're going to wear these every day for a long time, and you're picking how well you'll see.

Online and budget retailers have made billions by convincing the average person glasses are a scam, and that they're all the same. Insurance companies save a lot of money by propagating the same misinformation.

The big players and chains, luxottica, marchon, warby, vsp, etc. Refuse to let anyone know the real technology they use in their lenses, because if you only know their branded buzzy term, you can't ask for the correct product from a competitor. You can't find out that they buy their designs, and don't actually produce anything.

Anyone with a c suite of people to pay has to cut costs somewhere to pay out million dollar bonuses. They hike up costs and cut quality, and want to make sure you think oakley and rayban are high quality when they're just marketing.

Years ago, some optometrists started something akin to a union to fight back against luxottica buying everything. That group was called vision source, and then, as the biggest fuck you in the history of optics, luxottica fucking bought vision source a few years ago.

On the other side, Anyone advertising two pairs for 89$ can't afford professionals. You'll never get the kind of optician referred to above from somewhere like that. With my knowledge base, if my offices went under right now, I would have every office around beating down my door to get me in, so why would I ever agree to put up with corporate bullshit, or working commision? But they stay in business by making sure everyone thinks all glasses are the same, so you'd be wasting your money if you went anywhere else.

[–] Technoworcester@feddit.uk 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

As an ex lab tech and dispenser......

This.

Thanks for writing, saved me a job.

If you're over 42, you should be wearing a progressive. Stop lying to me and yourself.

[–] classic@fedia.io 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't understand this statement, tbh. Or the odd antagonism of it. Are you saying all people above the age of 42 need to be wearing progressive glasses?

[–] Technoworcester@feddit.uk 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The antagonism? A copy and paste but you are right, that did sound antagonistic, sorry.

Progressive lenses specifically? No.

Regular check ups and some kind of prescription unless you are very very very lucky though? Yes.

Visual changes can be so slow people don't realise how poor their vision has become. Its normal to then. Ask anyone who's had a cataract operation for example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyopia?wprov=sfla1

[–] classic@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I appreciate the clarifications, thanks! Yeah, I agree on that slow creep of vision loss. I've been nearsighted a long time and am now losing my reading distance vision. But I can still read without glasses, and so I do. But it's probably not as sharp, and I suspect that might lead me to read less than I otherwise would

[–] SadSadSatellite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Most nearsighted presbyopes can read without their glasses. Presbyopia isn't losing the ability to see up close, it's losing the ability to change your focal length. The point of a bifocal or progressive is so you don't have to put on and take off your glasses to see things. You just wear them and can see everywhere.

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[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So as someone who's mid 30s and was proscribed contacts at 18 and had one blow back into my eye while on a motorcycle, then another crack (probably from my misuse) and irritate my eye real bad, and just give up on wearing anything. At what age would you say I should draw a hard line of making sure I get something so my eyes will adapt properly. I still passed the eye test at the DMV, but it's gotta be close. Somehow I don't think my distance has gotten worse from 18-35 because I can still read text on street signs and captions on TVs.

Just figured I'd ask because your talk about 42 vs 60 adapting to lenses, or if I could just keep ignoring it and adapt when I do get glasses eventually.

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[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I don’t remember exactly what I ordered, but it was from an independent shop and I think I picked the middle out of five options. I’m going to give it the full three weeks, but the narrow intermediate distance band, the swimmy effect on the near band when I move my head, and the dead zone in the lower corners are all very irritating.

The prescription itself seems spot on; it’s just how the progressive is laid out. It’s on me for not realizing that aren’t just sort of linear, but it is — well — mildly infuriating.

For the record, I’m very myopic, -2 and -4.25, with a fair amount of astigmatism, and +1.75 near. My last pair had like a +.75 but I don’t recall the same issues.

[–] zwerg@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I've worn progressive lenses for nearly 10 years now. I did get one pair on the cheap, and they were truly awful, unusable. That's when I figured out that going cheap with progressive lenses isn't worth it. That may be what has happened to you. Even with good lenses, it takes me a few days, maybe a week to get used to them when I get a new pair. Stairs are... difficult though, especially going down. I live in a busy European city, so I use public transport a lot, and that means lots of stairs. I can no longer run up and down them like I used to.

[–] prex@aussie.zone 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I found going down stairs wearing bifocals lethal.
I mean, Im still alive but it was very scary.

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[–] graycube@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

The first time I got progressives and went hiking in West Virginia all was fine until we decided to descend the steep rocky trail. It was a horrible experience. One stumble and I'd probably need to be airlifted out. I had to go really slow. Everyone else thought I was being a baby and left me in their dust, so I was alone on the hillside unable to see my feet. It took me a full extra hour to make it back to base. I swore off that style of glasses. 10 years later I got a fancy car with a computer screen dashboard. If I wore my driving glasses, I couldn't see the computer. If I wore my reading glasses the road signs were blurry, so I'm trying these progressives again. They sometimes make me dizzy. At first I only wore them while driving, but I've slowly gotten used to them. I can't use them for [computer] work because I'd have to perpetually tilt my head up, but I often wear them for more than just driving now. If I'm going hiking I still use my old driving glasses. So I lug around 3 pairs of glasses...

If you have access to an itemized receipt, I can troubleshoot for you if you DM me. Worth noting, an add jump from 75 to 175 will make you swerve for a week, but it can be lessened by good measurments and high end lenses.

There's not really any true low and medium level products. They're just older products. The mid grade was the top of the line 15 years ago. The basic progressive at most places is probably a Shoreview, ovation, or adaptar. They were great lenses, in 1993. But every few years there's a new breakthrough, and the high end lenses at most places are the newest tech. Don't want to have trouble with computers? You need a lens designed after everyone started working on one. Feel like your phone gets distorted? You need a lens designed after smartphones became commonplace.

[–] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Hiya! Former optician here!

Have you taken your progressives in to have them adjusted or aligned?

Progressive lenses must be fitted in the perfect spot in front of your eyes to give you the best possible vision.

Once fitted correctly, they mimic the way your focus changes naturally by applying +power as you progress further down the lens, basically shifting towards spherical shape to "magnify" a bit, the same way the muscles in your eyes bend your inner lens to do the same!

In order to use them efficiently:

Folks tend to point their nose slightly downward as they view distance, keep this in mind as your distance section is at the top!

When looking near people tend to slightly cross their eyes and look down towards their nose! This is why the bottom of the lens feels stronger, its where you're expected to read through.

Midrange is the tough one to nail. I recommend holding a piece of paper with text at arms length in front of you, find the spot where its perfect and slowly drag it from that spot to where you'd prefer to read. This will help to train your eyes to follow that track to vary the focus.

Dont give up! I usually recommend giving your lenses a few weeks to adjust to a new style of lens.

Remember though, while they may be difficult to use at first, your vision should be perfect when they do work, getting them to work 100% of the time is the part that takes effort.

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I was going to send you a message to ask about glasses, but glasses are not Linux or art. That said, a Linux using optician/artist sounds like a pretty cool person.

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

I don't need long distance correction, but do need reading glasses distance correction. I got bifocals with no correction on top and my reading prescription on the bottom. When I was choosing types of bifocals, I was given a non-perscription demo progressives to try and hated them. I was then informed by the optometrist that there are a whole bunch of different lens styles to choose from besides progressives for bifocals. I chose "Segmented Ds" which look like this:

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These do exactly what I want. If I'm in a meeting and have my laptop or notepad (reading distance) close to me, and at the other end of the room a whiteboard or projection screen, I pop out my bifocals and they work perfectly. I can see both the distance (no prescription for me) and the close reading distance without having to lift my glasses off my face each time. I do not give a shit if someone sees that they are bifocals. I'm using them to help me be the best version of myself, not make a damn fashion statement. I have not one time had anyone say anything negative about them, and indeed had a few people ask how to order the same thing for themselves. If I'm doing pure close work, I don't use the bifocals and just use regular full field reading glasses.

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They are super hard to get properly aligned. The absolute vast majority of people that work in eye glass shops have ZERO clue on how to set them up. They will claim until they die that they know how to do it. They don’t have a clue. And they don’t understand that. That’s the real problem. They think they know and they don’t.

And the more sensitive your eyes are to minute changes(tiny changes). The problem gets many times worse.

The best I can say is go to one person have them keep working on it. Do not let anybody else touch them. Keep working the same person. If you realize this person can’t get them right and it could take several visits by the way. Then blacklist that person and go to the next person in the same shop. Repeat this until you’ve gone through everybody in the same shop. Then go to the next shop and start over. Keep doing this until youcan find somebody who has a clue. It’s going to take a while. Trust me. I have exactly one person in Town that he can do it. By the way, my city is about 60,000 people in just this town. 60,000 population that is. And there are quite a few eyeglass places in town.

To those who are reading this, if you work in eyeglass shops, and you’re sitting there thinking, but everybody in my shop is really good. Then you have no what’s going on. And you’re part of the problem. Because if you’re thinking, everybody in your shop can do it that means nobody in your shop can do it.

Think of it this way. Imagine everybody on a baseball team says I am really great and everybody my team is really great. Then your entire team sucks. Because in every team, there are people who are really, really good and people are mediocre and people are bad. So if you honestly believe that, everybody in your team is really really good then you’re clueless.

So I guess the best advice I can give to the original poster is keep trying with different people and try to find somebody’s good. Or go to bifocals.

[–] classic@fedia.io 3 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Sounds costly. And, at what point do you know they are properly aligned or not?

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[–] prex@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Going to call you on the basketball team comparison: They have a simple metric for if they are good (winning). You are right about the rest of it though.

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They take a month or 2 to get used to, give it time. Your brain sort of morphs itself to make it seem normal after a while. It's very strange but true.

I personally went for only 2 zones, one which was mainly the strength to use a computer rather than read a book up close (though I can do that in a pinch, but I keep stronger glasses for reading books), and the other for distance. This feels very natural to me now, I can just see what I need to see but it doesn't feel weird. I would never go for bifocals.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (11 children)

I found I can't do bifocals at all. When I'm reading, I need the whole lens. When I'm distance viewing, I need the whole lens.

So, two pairs it is!

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[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Same. I despise them and refuse to wear them.

I bought a pair of reading glasses at the dollar store and just pretend I don’t need to see in the distance.

[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 8 points 1 month ago

I bought a pair of reading glasses at the dollar store and just pretend I don’t need to see in the distance.

Shhh don't let every one know

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Just a note for anyone getting older: when you get your cataract surgery, when they insert the new lens into your eye, they can make that lens a prescription lens. And one thing you might consider doing is requesting that one lens be made slightly long-distance and the other slightly near-distance.

[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You can do that before cataracts. They're called Implantable Collamer Lenses. I got ICL surgery* done because my astigmatism is so bad I can't do laser.

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[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

when you get your cataract surgery

Not everyone gets cataracts

they can make that lens a prescription lens

What would be the point of implanting a "lens" with no optical power?

I think what you're trying to say is that the implanted lens can be varifocal rather than monofocal.

[–] cloudless@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago

Yes. I paid extra and got the worse. Switched back to normal glasses after a year.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

It used to be cheaper (bought some about 20 years ago) to have 2 pairs. One for distance and another for up close. I regretted buying progressives ultimately. Have they become less expensive?

[–] Son_of_Macha@lemmy.cafe 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Do you mean varifocals? You definitely get used to them and get muscle memory in your eyes for where to look through. You need to wear them 24/7 though

[–] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

We call them Progressive Addition Lenses in the US

[–] comador@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Try and return them first; tell them they give you a head ache and you cannot wear them. Refuse to wear them any longer.

If the prescription lens place doesn't help, dump them along with the glasses, consider your options and shop around.

I had the same experience 7 years ago. I ultimately went back to my old pair and even bought a pair of cheapos from eyebuydirect.com to hold me over until my insurance covered my next prescription.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Correct. Complain until it works. My place tried a less expensive lens and even tried to re-work those on my 2nd complaint.

They finally used Zeiss and my glasses are fine.

[–] Mbourgon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I hated them too. It takes a few weeks, but I still have a second set that’s only the near prescription, set for my monitor distance. The chicken-bob is the worst.

Make sure that you have them set on your head the same way each time. The glasses moving around on your head is a pain since those “zones of vision” move whenever that happens.

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