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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 130 points 1 day ago (8 children)

thats a stagecoach thing, right?

[–] dukeofdummies@lemmy.world 117 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Yeah it was bench seating so one guy had the reins and the other had a shotgun. Hence the name.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 62 points 1 day ago (4 children)

its interesting the slang that persists...

"i call getting to shoot people!"

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean, it's still America.

I guess the location of the shooting has changed though. It should mean having your desk at the front of the classroom by the teacher's desk now.

[–] jawa21@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The amount of naval terminology that has stuck around in English is mind boggling.

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[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Gringo explaining a horse carriage: Imagine a gun

[–] VaalaVasaVarde@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago

And the kids have been shouting shotgun from then on.

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[–] rockstarmode@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The apocryphal story is actually kind of interesting.

Roads and right of way established during the pre-firearm era were that you'd ride on the left, with people going the opposite way on your right. This was so you could use your dominant hand (usually your right) to use a sword to defend yourself.

Roads after firearms were available often established right of way with riding on the right, with oncoming traffic on the left. This is because when you shoulder a firearm on your right shoulder it's easier to aim left.

Stagecoach drivers would sit in the left seat, with the extra person sitting on the right, holding a shotgun, hence the colloquial term for the front passenger seat.

I have no idea how true this is, but it makes for an interesting story.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Not many countries had to arm the person next to the coach driver to fight off natives defending their country against foreign invaders.

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

lets not pretend that the US sprouted up out of nothing from nowhere and decide on a whim to slaughter native people. the American continent exists as it does today because of European colonial projects, and the brutal treatment of natives was official policy of the pope

[–] bier@feddit.nl 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, no, no, this is all wrong. When we discuss immigration and the current situation in the US all Americans are European immigrants.

When we talk about the genocide of the natives Americans, it was done by Americans, Europeans had nothing to do with it.

;-)

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[–] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm the times coaches like that became common it wasn't really safe to travel in most parts of the world.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago

Weren't these coaches a thing in the 19th century US, from which time the term comes? From what i could find quickly, Highway robbery became less of a thing in the UK and mainland Europe by the end of the 18th century.

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, but many needed to protect those passengers from bandits and other assorted outlaws.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Fun fact: Joseph Stalin first became known to Lenin when he organized the successful robbery of a bank stagecoach in Russia. The stagecoaches were heavily protected by armed men riding on the outside of the coach as well as riding horses alongside, but Stalin observed that they tended to relax their guard upon reaching a densely-populated city, on the assumption that revolutionaries would not be willing to injure or kill innocent bystanders.

This assumption was very wrong in Stalin's case. He had his people lob satchel bombs at the coach and riders after they reached the city, killing most of the guards as well as nearly 100 innocent bystanders in the vicinity. They made off with a huge amount of money, and Lenin congratulated Stalin although he had only planned the operation and not participated in it. The importance of delegation!

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Huh, who knew that violent bank robbers who indiscriminately kill bystanders would ~~do a bunch of genocide after their violent takeover complete with secret police and gulags~~ I mean create the best goverbmont in history, praise USSR or something.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Tbilisi bank robbery

Bonus fun fact: part of the reason for their success might be that one of the local police informants was … Stalin.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago

I'm starting to think this Stalin guy has some red flags.

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[–] lime@feddit.nu 20 points 1 day ago

you know, it just never comes up. mostly because i'm over 190cm so there's no question of where i get to sit when not driving...

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Now I'd like to know why in France it's la place du Mort, the seat of the dead...

[–] vivendi@programming.dev 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

While this is probably some bullshit from the horse drawn carriage era, what I'd like to say is that statistically speaking riding shotgun is the most dangerous seat in car crashes, so the saying still works

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The shotgun Georg, who uses a small motorbike to jump inside 80,000 cars on highway and bites whoever is in the shotgun seat anually; is an outlier and their victims should be excluded from this survey.

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[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 day ago

My kids say "Chewbacca!"

[–] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

NL here. "Shotgun" is a concept, though mostly through Pop Culture Osmosis.

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[–] S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Years ago I read "shotgun wedding" and thought it was common to see a guy having to marry a girl he fucked while her father was there at the side with a rifle.

Capaz son asi andá a saber...

[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 12 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

It means "quick marriage because the bride is pregnant" and that is 100% the origin of the phrase.

Particularly in poorer, rural parts of the USA having a child out of wedlock was incredibly shameful, and the financial burden of a single motherhood was intolerable. So the bride's family would ensure the man responsible married their daughter ... regardless of how he felt about it. Sometimes that meant having a shotgun at the wedding to ensure he didn't run off.

[–] railcar@midwest.social 11 points 23 hours ago

It's still relevant. I always hand my passengers a pistol before disembarking.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] moncharleskey@lemmy.zip 43 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I'll try and explain, but let me know if you don't follow. In the US it's common to claim the front passenger seat by saying "I call shotgun!" or simply "Shotgun!" The commenter is playing on a now common refrain where Americans use firearms and terminology to describe basic things. As far as I can tell, it's true. For example: caulk gun, staple gun, nail gun, glue gun, tattoo gun, finger guns, ot phrases like "I'll think about it before I pull the trigger on it." Or "Shoot me your email and I'll get you those photos."

I don't know how prolific this type of thing is in other countries though, so I can only assume we Americans arr outliers due to how deeply ingrained guns are in our culture. Hope this clarifies things a bit, let me know if not.

TLDR: Americans describing so many things: "So imagine a gun, but..."

[–] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (7 children)

All the things you listed either shoot projectiles and/or have triggers. What else do you call trigger operated projectile launchers? Also Caulk guns legitimately look like old timey machine guns.

[–] moncharleskey@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago (9 children)

This is my perspective as an American looking in. In other languages there may be terminology used for these items that do not reference firearms.

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[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago
[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

First bit is true enough, but we call "shotgun" because that was the guy holding the coach gun for bandit defense. Wish I had a pic of mine, but they're basically a short double-barreled shotgun for warding off robbers and Indians. Coach guns are quickly and easily aimed, powerful at short range, "get the fuck off of me" guns.

The Wild West wasn't as wild as movies make it out, but you were on your fucking own. LOL, no 911. While you're driving the coach, best have a man whose job is looking around and blasting raiders.

tl;dr: Calling shotgun means you're taking the front passenger side in a (historically) defensive role.

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[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

They're saying, no, it's not common for other cultures to call it a gun thing. But in a humorous way, by drawing attention to the absurdity of the question.

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[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Well, for my world it's interesting because the passenger seat is just that. But before the evolution of tech and everything else heavily affected travel, the front passenger seat held importance in that the one who sits there can assist in reading a map, adjusting the passenger wing mirror, monitoring the side directly while parking or other tight manoeuvres, emotional support for police stops, handling a drink so the driver can hydrate without endangering anyone, an extra pair of eyes on the less vital areas etc.. Now these benefits of a primary passenger are almost nonexistent, as better driver-side controls, digital maps, GPS and TTS, and stricter road safety laws (banning consumption while driving) reduce the need for an assistant driver.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

wait, it's illegal to drink anything while driving in places? when did that happen?

[–] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

In some place that counts as distracted driving and you can get fined for it.

[–] Geodad@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

That is purely an American thing.

Not saying my family had someone in the passenger seat with a shotgun to protect their batch of white lightning...also not saying they did.

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[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This phrase has confused me so much when I heard it in one of Taylor Swift's songs.

Then my Texan cousins explained it to me on a visit one day. I was still confused. Now I've found out it's a stage coach thing. Interesting.

[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yes, because we invariably import whatever bollocks the US says or does.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We don't even SAY bollocks in the US.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 18 hours ago

Shotgun is an America thing, coming from the stagecoach era. The shotgun in question has a shortened barrel for reduced storage footprint.

The BMW R12 has a sidecar mounted with an MG 42 light machine gun. But no-one calls sidecar gunner

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