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[–] HeartyOfGlass@piefed.social 325 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This tells me LibreOffice has become a threat to Microsoft, and I'm here for it.

If anyone else is curious what it's like, LibreOffice's site is here. Highly recommend.

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 91 points 3 days ago (2 children)

using Microsoft Word for too long makes me break out in Tourette's

Writer is so much more understandable

[–] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Word is proof that there is no God and that we're all alone in the cold vacuum of space. Word is every traffic light being red. Word is getting an itchy arsehole because you couldn't quite wipe yourself properly.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't think anything in the software world has ever pissed me off as much as the fucking ribbon. "We've run out of ideas as far as the UI is concerned - just throw everything up there somewhere, menus, toolbars, whatever". A close second was their genius idea of hiding unused menu items so the locations of the items you do use are constantly changing.

I don't use MS products any more but my 90 yo parents do and it's a fucking nightmare trying to help them with stuff. MS Office is certifiable elder abuse.

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[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It tells me microsoft is petty

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago

They literally blew billions of dollars and years of developer time just to screw the companies that won the argument of “open internet or Microsoft protocol” back in the day. Yes, petty.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 2 days ago

Probably has something to do with more and more things like this happening:

https://cybernews.com/news/france-lyon-microsoft-office-tech-adoption/

[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 146 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Anyone who has projects on Github they care about, you might wanna move it to self-hosting or another git host while you still can, because once MS gets tired of killing e-mails, Github repos are probably going to start getting sniped next.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 65 points 2 days ago

Even if you stay on GitHub, definitely mirror to another host. Git is designed to be distributed, why not make use of that capability!

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

So either Codeberg, Sourcehut or Gitlab ??

If you want to quit Git entirely then Fossil which has a built-in GUI & a fully-fledged alternative to both Git & Github & is self-hostable or Darcs/Pijul which are Patch-oriented

[–] gi1242@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago

codeberg is owned by a nonprofit. highly recommend it

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They probably meant purely self hosted. You can self hosted Gitea, Forgejo, GitLab, and probably many others.

[–] trublu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)

git (by itself) is no harder to host than SSH.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 97 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Mafia shit cause the mob boss is the President.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lets be real here. They'd do it no matter who's in charge.

[–] socialsecurity@piefed.social 8 points 2 days ago

They have been doing this for 40+ years

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 92 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This isn't a conspiracy...

It's the reality of using Hotmail as a business account in 2025.

Which is frankly nuts.

But the author even says the same thing happened to them before too

[–] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 46 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Using Hotmail for anything was already a bad idea, using it for an open-source dev account is worse. I don't understand why they haven't switched to something else 20 years ago.

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[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 16 points 2 days ago

95% of senior government officials across Africa will give you a fancy-ass, taxpayer funded, full color laminated plastic business card that lists their email address for official business as Gmail or Hotmail.

Like... Today. Right now. I used to have a collection. Once got one with a 3D hologram thing. Fucking hotmail and gmail address.

[–] Vince@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yep, I don't remember the exact phrasing, but in these situations, I assume incompetence before I assume evil intent.

Maybe it is intentional but the incompetence is in how obvious they are.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetentance

Is the saying, but it's definitely not always true.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 62 points 2 days ago (12 children)

No real reason to be using a hotmail account in this day and age, even less so if you're a developer of a direct competitor for Microsoft.

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Eh, that's the problem with email - it's much harder to change and migrate, because you can't guarantee others will use your new email, much less find out who somehow still has the old email to send messages to and expects a reply from.

[–] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This is an argument for having your own domain for emails. There is an annual cost but at least your address isn't locked to a specific provider sokcd you can change some DNS settings to point at a different mail server.

[–] HowAbt2day@futurology.today 9 points 2 days ago

I’ve been with Tuta mail for years now and it just keeps getting better. It’s not free, but I believe that that’s why it’s a good choice. They’ve add the calendar app and are expanding to cloud storage.

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[–] feannag@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago

Unless you own the domain. Then switching providers is a simple DNS/MX/DKIM/DMARC update.

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[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

What alternative do you recommend that won't be blocked by Google and Microsoft? I hate Microsoft, but I can't even sign up for a Google account, and everywhere else I've tried is blocked by Google, Microsoft, or both.

I self-hosted my email from 2006-2021, and do not have the stamina to do that any more.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

If your concern is being blocked, the best advice is to avoid any free email service and pony up for a paid one.

ProtonMail used to be the big one, but IIRC they had some controversy recently:

https://cointelegraph.com/magazine/proton-mail-exposing-activists-info-showed-the-limits-of-encryption/

https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/the-intercept-proton-mail-says-it-s-politically-neutral-while-praising-republican-party/24456

Other commenter already mentioned Zoho, but also mailbox.org.

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[–] arc99@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

What isn't made clear is if this had anything to do with him being a LibreOffice developer. Or just the usual Kafkaesque bullshit that happens when someone's account gets flagged for "suspicious activity" or whatever and they cannot get a real human being to help or reverse the problem.

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Or the terrifyingly-random bullshit that happens when someone chooses to depend on a free service such as Hotmail as their primary mission-critical address. (This article is about the developer getting locked out of their Hotmail, and the generally-broken state of Hotmail's account recovery process.)

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[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago

Relying on American companies is a liability in of itself.

While there is corruption everywhere and on a standardized basis, there are of course countries with higher levels of corruption, the US is the #1 source of corruption and criminality in the world. Additionally it's the ideological centre for global oligarch/criminal gangs.

Microsoft's monopoly in Windows and Office alone results in extraction of hundreds of billions of dollars from companies and individuals all around the world.

[–] ToiletFlushShowerScream@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Why do I feel like any customer support has been replaced by ai and it has led to this show of shit?

[–] YknsNMo000@thelemmy.club 10 points 2 days ago

Replaced? They didn't have any in the first place

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[–] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

By the way, ignoring as much of this big tech corpo crap as you can also makes you live an easier life.

Whenever I see a story of "some guy who relies on working loses access to it and suddenly can't do anything anymore" I think "this can never happen to me". Which means there's a whole category of problems you're suddenly never going to see. It also means you're less naive. So just don't vendor-lock yourself in. Don't put a log-in for an account which you don't control in front of important things you need to do. Simple as that.

On top of that, you'll also leak less private data about yourself and probably others as well. So you even make yourself less of a target when it comes to data protection laws or something. I know, these get routinely ignored. I'm just saying, if you don't even use the problematic stuff (or almost never), you'll also have potentially less legal troubles at hand. And you never know, legel troubles might not appear for a while but they could lurk far in the future. For example, many Nazis got into legal trouble for their participation in Nazi Germany, even decades later.

I know, the guy from the story probably only needed that account to ensure he can compare some stuff with how MS Office is behaving compared to LibreOffice, or things like that. So it's probably not a big deal. But generally speaking, you really shouldn't vendor-lock yourself in.

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[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

Well now i know Linux is ready to switch over to.

Thanks Microsoft!

[–] klobuerschtler@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Who in their right mind uses hotmail?

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[–] admin@lmmy.retrowaifu.io 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

why are people that are building FOSS software not using FOSS software to build it? Gitlab? Forgejo?

[–] TeddE@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People are complicated and FOSS isn't as simple as all or nothing.

Sometimes people have things setup before they discovered FOSS - it's hard for me to give up my gmail account from age 14, even though I run my own domain now.

Sometimes FOSS gets captured - Microsoft owns githib now, which makes tough decisions for all the projects hosted there.

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 16 points 2 days ago

Eat shit, microsoft

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What, Microsoft? The corporation built almost entirely out of copying Apple and buying up competitors to destroy them? Microsoft the convicted monopoly?

Noooooo! It can't be! They're so . . . uh . . . ubiquitous.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Can someone suggest me good alternatives to both Microsoft's mailing system (Outlook, etc.), and to Github, just in case?

[–] benjaminb@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

For Outlook as an E-Mail client: I like Claws-Mail or just standard Thunderbird.

For Outlook as an E-Mail Service: Either Self-Host or find a good provider (I have a small German company where I pay 1€/month and get great service)

As an GitHub alternative, I use sourcehut. The link is sr.ht btw

[–] count_duckula@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)
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[–] hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 3 days ago

High likelihood this just some AI bot with no oversight fucking up than something malicious. Outlook.com's support system is atrocious and devoid of humans at this point unless you're an enterprise.

I tried to go through their support to tell them their junk filter was fucking up (bank alerts being marked as junk with no way to override) and got nowhere after like two months. Had to change the email I use for banking.

[–] alvyn@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 days ago

EU should really create rule to use only EU FOSS tech for goverment services. For all member states.

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