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[–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 304 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Believe it or not a lot of hacking is more like this than you think.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 115 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Social engineering is probably 95% of modern attack vectors. And that's not even unexpected, some highly regarded computer scientists and security researchers concluded this more than a decade ago.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 66 points 3 days ago (4 children)

When the technical side reaches a certain level of security, the humans become the weakest link.

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[–] qqq@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I work in security and I kinda doubt this. There are plenty of issues just like what is outlined here that would be much easier to exploit than social engineering. Social engineering costs a lot more than GET /secrets.json.

There is good reason to be concerned about both, but 95% sounds way off and makes it sound like companies should allocate significantly more time to defend against social engineering, when they should first try to ensure social engineering is the easiest way to exploit their system. I can tell you from about a decade of experience that it typically isn't.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

https://www.infosecinstitute.com/resources/security-awareness/human-error-responsible-data-breaches/

You're right. It's 74%.

https://www.cybersecuritydive.com/news/clorox-380-million-suit-cognizant-cyberattack/753837/

It's way easier to convince someone that you are just a lost user who needs access than it is to try to probe an organization's IT security from the outside.

This is only going to get worse with the ability to replicate other's voices and images. People already consistently fall for text message and email social engineering. Now someone just needs to build a model off a CSO doing interviews for a few hours and then call their phone explaining there has been a breach. Sure, 80% of good tech professionals won't fall for it, but the other 20% that just got hired out of their league and are fearing for their jobs will immediately do what they are told, especially if the breach is elaborate enough to convince them it's an internal security thing.

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[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 40 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Many years ago, I discovered that my then-employer’s “home built” e-commerce system had all user and admin passwords displayed in plaintext at home/admin/passwords.

When I brought this to the attention of leadership, they called the “developer” in and he said “oh, well, that’s IP locked, so no one on the web can access it!” When I pulled it up on my phone, he insisted my phone was on the work WiFi, despite it being clearly verifiable that was not the case. (The same work WiFi that had an open public connection, which is the one my phone would have been on, if it were on it…)

He did fix that, but many other issues remained. Eventually a new COO hired someone competent as his ‘backup’, replaced our website and finally suggested he pursue other employment opportunities before he could no longer voluntarily pursue them. (There was concern he might sabotage.)

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think that’s less about “hacking” and more about modern day devs being overworked by their hot-shit team lead and clueless PMs and creating “temporary” solutions that become permanent in the long run.

This bucket was probably something they set up early in the dev cycle so they could iterate components without needing to implement an auth system first and then got rushed into releasing before it could be fixed. That’s almost always how this stuff happens; whether it’s a core element or a rushed DR test.

[–] drkt@scribe.disroot.org 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

modern day devs being overworked

And then there is meningspunktet.dk which had all the time in the world to do whatever they wanted, and even get their hosting paid for by a university. They still leaked everyones email, phone, full legal name and location on day one and only fixed it because I pointed it out.

https://drkt.eu/files/ramblings/meningspunktet-dk.html

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 23 points 3 days ago

Shodan lists 100'000s of publicly accessible security cameras.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If I was a hacker, I would just get a job as a night cleaning person at corporate office buildings. And then just help myself to the fucking post-it notes with usernames and passwords on them.

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[–] skip0110@lemmy.zip 164 points 3 days ago (2 children)

AI just enables the shit programmers to create a greater volume of shit

[–] Asetru@feddit.org 35 points 3 days ago

I'll tape this to my office door.

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[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 94 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This reminds me of how I showed a friend and her company how to get databases from BLS and it's basically all just text files with urls. "What API did you call? How did you scrape the data?"

Nah man, it's just... there. As government data should be. They called it a hack.

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

ah yes, the forbidden curl hack

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 85 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I remember when a senior developer where i worked was tired of connecting to the servers to check its configuration, so they added a public facing rest endpoint that just dumped the entire active config, including credentials and secrets

That was a smaller slip-up than exposing a database like that (he just forgot that the config contained secrets) but still funny that it happened

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 45 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That's not a "senior developer." That's a developer that has just been around for too long.

Secrets shouldn't be in configurations, and developers shouldn't be mucking around in production, nor with production data.

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[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 16 points 3 days ago

I would have put IP address access restrictions on that at the very least. I may have even done something like that more than once for various tools in the past.

That way it acts completely open to people (or other servers) in the right places and denies all knowledge to anything else.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 69 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 days ago (7 children)
[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You know that's not the Tea code, but the downloader, right?

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Sure, it might be, I'm not saying it isn't. All I'm saying is: the screenshot shows the code someone wrote to download the images. It's not part of the Tea codebase.

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[–] EmilyIsTrans@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I absolutely despise Firebase Firestore (the database technology that was "hacked"). It's like a clarion call for amateur developers, especially low rate/skill contractors who clearly picked it not as part of a considered tech stack, but merely as the simplest and most lax hammer out there. Clearly even DynamoDB with an API gateway is too scary for some professionals. It almost always interfaces directly with clients/the internet without sufficient security rules preventing access to private information (or entire database deletion), and no real forethought as to ongoing maintenance and technical debt.

A Firestore database facing the client directly on any serious project is a code smell in my opinion.

[–] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It's like people learn how to make a phone app in React Native or whatever, but then come to the shocking and unpleasant realisation that a data-driven service isn't just a shiny user interface - it needs a backend too.

But they don't know anything about backend, and don't want to, because as far as they are concerned all those pesky considerations like data architecture, availability, security, integrity etc are all just unwanted roadblocks on the path to launching their shiny app.

And so, when a service seemingly provides a way to build an app without needing to care about any of those things, of course they take it.

And I get it, I really do. The backend usually is the genuine hard part in any project, because it's the part with all the risk. The part with all the problems. The place where everything can come crashing down or leak all your data if you make bad decisions. That's the bothersome nature of data-driven services.

But that's exactly why the backend is important, and especially the part you can't build anything decent without thinking about.

[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think it's less about the tech picked and more about developers with no sense of security and a poor understanding of networking. I've seen far too many web applications where the developer needed some sort of database behind it (MySQL, PostGres, MSSQL) and so they stood up either a container or entire VM with a public IP and whatever the networking layer set to allow any IP to hit the database port. The excuse is almost always something like, "we needed the web front end to be able to reach the database, so we gave the database server/container a public IP and allowed access". Which is wonderful, right up until half of the IP addresses in Russia start trying to brute force the database.

[–] EmilyIsTrans@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 3 days ago

I agree that this is ultimately a problem with developers lacking security knowledge and general understanding, but my issue with Firestore specifically is that it is a powerful tool that, while it can be adopted as part of a carefully considered tech stack, lends itself most naturally towards being a blunt force instrument used by these kinds of developers.

My main criticism of Firestore is that it offers a powerful feature set that is both extremely attractive to amateur or constrained developers while simultaneously doing a poor job of guiding said amateurs towards creating a secure and well designed backend. In particular, the seemingly expected use case of the technology as something directly interfaced with by apps and other clients, as evidenced by the substantial support and feature set for this use case, is the main issue. This no-code no-management client driven interaction model makes it especially attractive to these developers.

This lack of indirection through an API Gateway or service, however, imposes additional design considerations largely delegated to the security rules which can easily be missed by a beginner. For example:

  1. Many examples of amateurs take an open-by-default approach, only applying access and write restrictions where necessary and miss data that should be restricted
  2. Some amateurs deploy databases with no access or write restrictions at all
  3. There is no way to only allow a "view" of a document to a request, instead a separate document and security rules containing the private fields needs to be created. This can be fairly simple to design around but seems to be a bit of a "gotcha", plus if you have similar but non identical sets of data that needs to be accessible by different groups it must be duplicated and manually synchronized.
  4. Since there is no way to version data models, incompatible changes require complicated workarounds or an increasingly complicated deserialization process on the client side (especially as existing clients continue to write outdated models).
  5. Schema validation of data written by clients to the database is handled by security rules, which is seemingly unintuitive or missed by many developers because I've seen plenty of projects miss it
  6. If clients are writing data directly, it can become fairly complex to handle and subsequently maintain their contributions, especially if the aforementioned private data documents are required or the data model changes.

All of these pitfalls can be worked around (although I would still argue for some layer of indirection at least for writes), but at this point I've been contracted to 2 or 3 projects worked on by "professionals" (derogatory) that failed to account for any of these issues and I absolutely sick to death of it. I think a measure of a tools quality is whether it guides a developer towards good practices by design and I have found Firestore to completely fail in that regard. I think it can be used well, and it is perfectly appropriate for small inconsequential (as in data leaks would be inconsequential) single developer projects, but it almost never is.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

Hack has at least two definitions in a computing context.

  1. A nifty trick or shortcut that is useful. "Check out this hack to increase your productivity."
  2. Accessing something you shouldn't. "They hacked into the database."

A lot of times they sort of get used in conjunction to describe interesting ways to gain access to secure systems, but using it to describe accessing insecure things you shouldn't is still a valid usage of the phrase.

That said I definitely wanna see the company face charges for this, this is insane.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Yeah, if I leave my house door wide open for a few weeks and I get robbed, it's still burglary.

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 30 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What was the BASE_URL here? I’m guessing that’s like a profile page or something?

So then you still first have to get a URL to each profile? Or is this like a feed URL?

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 73 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It's a public firebase bucket

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 35 points 3 days ago

🤦‍♂️

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

That should be criminally negligent.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (9 children)

I always get irrationally angry when i see python code using os.path instead of pathlib. What is this, the nineties?

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[–] ConstantPain@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (30 children)

Disabling index and making the names UUID would make the directory inviolable even if the address was publicly available.

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 17 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Even the best models fine tuned for coding still have training that was based on both good and bad examples of programming from humans. And since it's not AGI but using probability to generate the code, you're going to get crap programming logic dependent on how often such things were used and suggested by humans to other humans. Googling for an answer on how to code something pulls up all sorts of answers from many sources, but reading through them, many are terrible. An LLM doesn't know that, it just knows that humans liked some answers better than others, so GIGO.

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[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (6 children)

An app called Tea™ was marketed as a safespace for women and used government issued IDs as a way to verify users.

4Chan users leaked all of the IDs onto the larger internet.

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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

These people should serve jail time. I'm not kidding.

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