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The group responsible is "Collective Shout", the same org has targeted Steam before.

There are calls on social media now to contact Mastercard, Visa and co. and file complaints.

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 190 points 3 days ago (27 children)

First they came for the incest/rape games, which most people somewhat agree with (although the principle is still wrong) Next up is all nsfw games. After that, it'll be mainstream and indie games altogether. This never stops with just one "victory" for these groups.

[–] Broadfern@lemmy.world 93 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It’s going to come down to anything with even a whisper of LGBTQ+/minority/disability/etc representation, just like with books.

They start with the “egregious” content (not that it’s necessarily right to remove that either), then narrow it down until it shapes up into hegemonic conformity and systemic oppression via media (there’s a term for it, kind of like stochastic violence but not quite that I can’t remember atm).

[–] ugo@feddit.it 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Exactly this. It is so transparent that the goal is to target minorities and lgbtq+ folk. After that, who knows. “Unchristian” games probably.

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[–] Cyv_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 days ago (11 children)

There are specific games in steam's case I'm very ok with getting removed, but at the same time its very fucked up that we're in a situation where the world is beholden to payment processors. Ideally this would be a case where they go directly to Valve and say "hey we think you should take a look at your content policy and at these specific games" and Valve makes the call from there on where they want to draw the line.

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[–] madjo@feddit.nl 148 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Puritanical US based payment processors need to stop getting their panties twisted.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 61 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

I don't even understand how they give a shit. Seems like the perfect place for shareholders to want them to make as much money as possible, it's a limited market.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

People with a lot of money doesn't really want just money. They want power to impose their views over the rest. Money is just a mean to do so.

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[–] gnutrino@programming.dev 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They give a shit because they are being pressured into giving a shit by religious nutjobs: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality_in_Media

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[–] Gibibit@lemmy.world 69 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (31 children)

It's nice to see a more reasonable response in the comments on Fediverse. On the itch discussion board people are frothing at the mouth posting death threats and the like against itch staff.

The anger is completely misdirected. I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to just let itch drop dead after this abuse from two sides simultaneously. Mega corps and rights groups at one side, and their very own users on the other.

Once this review is complete, we will introduce new compliance measures. For NSFW pages, this will include a new step where creators must confirm that their content is allowable under the policies of the respective payment processors linked to their account.

Itch is even willing to go for partial filtering, what more do you want. The only thing that will please these people is when itch waves their magic wand and keeps everything as is. Like folks here have said, accepting crypto payments might help, but who knows how soon that is going to get regulated.

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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 69 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I never thought I would say this, but cryptocurrency might have a use after all.

[–] Tanoh@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago

This is exactly what it was designed to solve before cryptobros turned it into a pump and dump scheme.

If you want to buy something from seller X that is between you and X and no one else. No goverment, payment processor or other third party can get a cut or stop it for any reason.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 2 days ago

Buying drugs and gooner games. That's the satoshi dream.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 days ago

So do regular fiat payment processors that are beholden to citizens and not faceless shareholders. Wero and Pix for instance.

Democratic governments are supposed to safeguard your ability to exchange legal tender for legal goods and services. The fact that Visa/MC have a duopoly and a stranglehold on the entire online economy is a major governance failure that needs to be rectified ASAP.

Crypto goes a lot further and says no-one, not even the government, should be able to prevent a transaction from taking place. Not necessarily an invalid idea but it does come with some huge unanswered challenges, such as "what happens when someone makes 1B€ through fraud and refuses to hand over the coins" and "how do we even prevent large-scale fraud in the first place".

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 60 points 2 days ago (9 children)

I'm wondering who gave these credit card companies the moral authority.

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago

Finicial authority beats moral everytime.

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 57 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Those ladies are really unpopular at the moment.

Still, it further highlights just how much power over law payment processors have - a worrying thought that the morality of a company (influenced by problem life nuts) dictates international law.

Edit - autocorrect turned pro life into problem life. I am ok with this.

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 57 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Meanwhile, on my feed there's a post directly below this one about a compiler that will give you BSDM messages for good and bad coding and can even be hooked up to a remote butt plug to pleasure you when you compile a successful program.

[–] abir_v@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Rust community just knows what's up.

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[–] wclinton93@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] yoriaiko@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 2 days ago

Can we force law banning money transactions to the churches and christian organisations?

Fight fire with fire (not literally, at least not yet, even if they did that long time ago already).

[–] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 42 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Can't wait for an EU alternative to Visa/Mastercard. Heard Wero is supposed to be that. Europe can't decouple from US garbage fast enough.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 24 points 2 days ago

we already had that: Eurocard. they needed to pay mastercard in order to be compatible with their terminals, and that relationship ended with mastercard just absorbing them.

they were started for the exact same reason that we are talking about, to get a european alternative. so obviously the answer is not free market-based.

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[–] shads@lemy.lol 41 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Posted this elsewhere so just going to copy paste here but with regards to Collective Shout:

I think we need to get this group to weigh in on the content of certain holy books. Surely as a secular organisation they will have no problem demanding that the bible and qur'an be banned (I bet I know which one they actually would like banned).

After all we don't want kids exposed to books that contain incest, sex, violence, rape, etc. I'm sure there are some parts of Ezekiel they will want editted at the absolute minimum.

I imagine balkanisation would be one way to make them slightly less visible/insufferable, and you know they would love some factional infighting.

Every time they get brought up they should be forced to confront that the people pulling their strings are most likely engaging in all the things they want banned from culture (regardless of culture or intent). Once they are forced to start lobbying Visa and MasterCard to block transactions to religious bodies I will accept they genuinely believe in the drivel they leak. Until then its performative puritanism.

P.s. not a fan of religion of any stripe, but I would feel as violently opposed to censoring them as I am to censoring anything else, I will accept it if its the only responsible solution until then alternative can be found.

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

you aren't going to get fascists on hypocrisy

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[–] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fuck these god-bothering pieces of shit. No, seriously. It sounds like they need it.

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[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 34 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Let the Digital Euro become a thing. It will wreck havoc on the current payment ecosystem.

And the Digital Euro is not a crypto. It will be a digital currency, backed by the ECB, at a one to one exchange rate with standard euro currency.

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[–] hmmm@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I hate American Companies it will be a good time to start a new platform for NSFW games and payment platforms

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

First, fuck Visa and Mastercard. Second, fuck Collective Shout. Third, I feel for the itch forum mods.

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[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago

To be clear - "Collective Shout" both is and isn't responsible. It's the payment processors who actually enacted policies and are using them as the scapegoat for negative feedback.

How many times have people reported Twitter after Elon Musk took over for showing Nazi propaganda alongside their ads - with no response. An 'open letter' in July about a game already banned in April? DELIST EVERYTHING IMMEDIATELY.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So how do we go about suing these guys? They're erasing art. And no, I'm not just some gooner who wants more jackoff material, Itch apparently removed anything with nudity in it.

[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

I am a guy who wants more jackoff material, and I am an adult, and I am allowed to have sources for that material that is not some piecemeal ad hoc storefront where I subscribe to individual developers who drip feed content as it gets developed.

I am all for supporting artists and have subscribed to a few Patreons when my wallet allows, but I like having a place where I can play some demos or games that an artist puts up for free because why not? I am so sick of storefronts being targeted like this. All of the porn on Steam is behind an age gate, and sure, Itch could use such a gate, but it doesn't need to delist an entire form of art.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 22 points 2 days ago

I'm completely fine with certain content being delisted because it is considered essentially on par with hate speech or something like that.

However, I really do not like that it is payment processors making that call. If someone makes that call, it should be the store in question (itch.io, Steam, whatever) or it should be the government.

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

How the fuck did we get to the point where a company which literally only takes your money and gives it to someone else (and also gets paid for that) can decide what kind of content people consume?

[–] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)
Collective shout finacials
year: 2024
revenue: 458043
employee_expenses: 107000
other_expenses: 215488
net_surplus: 135555
employees: 
  total_fte: 2
  full_time: 0
  part_time: 1
  casual: 4
volunteers: 15
donations_and_bequests: 389800
government_grants: 0
commercial_income: 0
expense_to_revenue_ratio: "70.4%"
average_expense_per_employee: 39400

Leadership
- name: Melinda Tankard Reist
  role: Founder, Movement Director
  public_socials:
    - Twitter: @MelTankardReist
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Caitlin Roper
  role: Campaigns Manager
  public_socials:
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Renee Chopping
  role: Campaigns Strategy
  public_socials:
    - LinkedIn
  public_email_address: r******@collectiveshout.org
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Lyn Swanson Kennedy
  role: Campaigns Strategy
  public_socials:
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Coralie Alison
  role: Movement Operations Manager
  public_socials:
    - Twitter: @CoralieAlison
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed
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[–] Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Oh wow. Itch is also involved even though I would assume they have less than 1% of Steam's gross revenues.

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