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[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 328 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's just that we have to make space for our 5,358 partners and the telemetry data they need.

[–] drolex@sopuli.xyz 107 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

* legitimate telemetry data

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Legitimate interest to train AI

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 219 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 157 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And analytics. And offloading as much computation to the client, because servers are expensive and inefficiency is not an issue if your users are the ones paying for it.

[–] kbotc@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I saw an ad request with an inline 1.4 MB game. Like, you could fit Mario in there.

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[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Web "Apps" are also quite bad. Lots of and lots of stuff we're downloading and it feels clunky.

Sometimes that's bad coding, poor optimization, third party libraries, or sometimes just including trackers/ads on the page.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 42 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I vaguely recall a recent-ish article that an average web page is 30mb. That's right, thirty megabytes.

It's amazing how much faster web browsing becomes when I run PiHole and block most of it.

Suddenly the TV is pretty snappy, and all browsers feel so much smoother.

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[–] thesystemisdown@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Some devs will include a whole library for one thing instead of trying to learn another way to do that thing.

[–] techt@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago
from * import *
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[–] enemenemu@lemm.ee 164 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Paypal has 500 mb and just shows a number and you can press a button to send a number to their server.

It's insane

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 42 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You made me check it, and on my android device it's 337 (just the app). Jesus Christ.

[–] enemenemu@lemm.ee 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Mine has 660MB with 7MB user data, 15MB cache.

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[–] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 137 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Cheaper & faster development by leveraging large libraries/frameworks, but inability to automatically drop most unused parts of those libraries/frameworks. You could in theory shrink Electron way down by yoinking out tons of browser features you're not using, but there's not much incentive to do it and it'd potentially require a lot of engineering work.

[–] zenpocalypse@lemm.ee 54 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yeah, though the joke is funny, this is the real answer.

Storage is cheap compared to creating custom libraries.

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[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

64kb should be enough for anyone

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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 95 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 42 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Don't forget poor optimization

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 85 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Fucking Chrome/Electron is why.

I honestly wouldn't mind that if they could all use the exact same runtime so the apps could be a few MB each, but nooooo.

[–] nutt_goblin@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

See: Webview2

Unfortunately, it is extremely painful to work with😔 Enjoy rolling your own script versioning and update systems instead of using squirrel et al

Edit: I think Tauri works by targeting this and webkitgtk via their wrapper library, unfortunately I can't get my coworkers to write rust

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[–] DioEgizio@lemm.ee 67 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)
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[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 58 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Simple reason - dependencies.

Modern devs dump any dependency and sub-dependency under the sun into their project and don't bother about optimizing it. That's how you end up with absurdly large applications. Especially electron is a problem in this regard.

You can still write optimized and small software. However, for most businesses, it's just not worth their time. Rather using an additional couple hundred megabytes of dependencies on the client system.

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[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 57 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

isn't it a combination of younger developers not learning to programme under the restrictions of limited memory and cpu speed, on top of employers demanding code as soon as possible rather than code that is elegant or resource efficient or even slightly planned out

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[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The hp printer app says it needs your location to connect to WiFi. It says it needs your location all the time when not using the app, again to connect to WiFi

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 26 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I think that's to do with how permissions work.

Having wi-fi access can technically tell the app where you're located so you need to give it location access

Which is stupid because it then also gets GPS access.

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[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 51 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's the secret sauce, called unnecessary frameworks and user analytics modules.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 46 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

With that in mind, I LOVE how lean and fast some FOSS apps/projects are. One of my motivations to go searching for FOSS alternatives is when something seems slow for no reason.

It's not always the case, but it's often the case

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

KDE Plasma has been getting so much more efficient with every release that you can almost recommend it for low-end systems.

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[–] TedDallas@programming.dev 50 points 1 day ago (8 children)

#include "the_entire_fucking_internet.h"

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago

Bloatware, spyware, scope creep from middle managers feeling uncomfortable letting a dev have a slow day.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 1 day ago (2 children)

uh, please do ask, why does opening a fucking glorified text and image processing app require 1 gigabyte of ram.

Who wrote this software? The guy from the bible who was the model for greed and gluttony? Jesus christ.

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[–] sunoc@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 days ago (4 children)
[–] August27th@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Nailed it. Things have changed to allow cheaper (interpretable in several ways) developers to create "good enough" software as quickly as possible. If that involves inefficient frameworks, technology, and practices that unlock this, then so be it; if the "best" code is the code that makes money, and money is what corporations prioritize above all else, and there is a way to do that quicker and cheaper, the outcome is obvious and now ubiquitous. Furthermore, if nobody at the top cares, why should anyone on the ground care? The problem compounds.

Priorities are fucked.

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[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

I just updated Epic Games Launcher. BEHOLD:

1st update

collapsed inline media

2nd update

collapsed inline media

Almost a gigabyte for a mostly blank interface, wtf.

collapsed inline media

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[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's like Moore's law. The number of bytes for a basic app doubles every 2.5 years.

When I was young, we'd get a few different games games on a single 1.4 Mb floppy disk. The games were simpler, sure, but exactly the same games now would be far bigger in bytes.

[–] PillowTalk420@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (10 children)

At least games make sense, as the graphics get better. Though in some cases, the compression is also better. Like PS5 games are smaller on average than their PS4 versions, even though they have higher resolution textures in most cases, just because the PS5 has better compression/decompression tech.

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[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because companies give zero fucks. They will tell you they need tons of IT people, when in reality they want tons of underpaid programmers. They want stuff as fast and cheap as possible. What doesn't cause immediate trouble is usually good enough. What can be patched up somehow is kept running, even when it only leads you further up the cliff you will fall off eventually.

Management is sometimes completely clueless. They rather hire twice as many people to keep some poorly developed app running, than to invest in a new, better developed app, that requires less maintenance and provides a better user experience. Zero risk tolerance and zero foresight.

It still generates money, you keep it running. Any means are fine.

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 26 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Usually, instead of having 8-bit art, you have epic songs and very high definition textures. That is a good deal of why.

[–] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I think the epic songs and 4K textures are missing in my MS Office.

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[–] Gxost@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It's all because of Electron, unnecessary libraries, and just bad coders. Asus Armoury Crate weighs a lot and is so slow, but it's basically a simple app. Total Commander has much more features, but it's fast, lightweight, and consumes 9 MB of RAM.

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[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Marketing. Corporate leadership has decided marketing knows better software design than actual engineers.

[–] ogeist@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Bro, just use AI, bro, you don't need developers, bro, also skip the testing, bro, who is going to hack your SaaS, bro

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[–] cylon@programming.dev 22 points 9 hours ago

Memory is cheap and data sells enough to many parties. Most apps are just store front for Ads and data collection.

No wonder why open source apps are quite light.

[–] devilish666@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (6 children)

That topics always made me curious tho....take a sample AAA games back then has smaller size compared to shitty Unity 2D games nowadays and i wonder why ?

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 20 points 15 hours ago

Oh, they have new functionality. It's all in the back end, detailing everything you do and sending it to the parent company so they can monetize your life.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (15 children)

Kinda tired of people referring to my work as "IT"

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