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Google’s Android, the world’s most widely used mobile operating system, started life as open-source software. In its quest for ever-greater profits, the tech giant has been gradually eroding Android’s open-source nature over the last decade.

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[–] usernameunnecessary@lemmy.zip 146 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Unfortunately the Android experience is getting more and more bloated and users' freedom to tinker with their phones or sideload apps is getting more and more difficult. The Play Store is riddled with more ads than useful content. Just try searching for something, and oftentimes more than half of your screen is ads.

I've been with Android since the start and I hate what Google is reducing it to. It pains me that the only viable alternative is Apple and I feel trapped.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

F-Droid is a decent replacement for the play store. Lots of FOSS and less-enshittified apps available.

[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Tried to rely fully on F-droid several years ago. That experiment went just fine until I needed up update the apps. Turns out, there wasn't a simple one button solution to that. I had to manually update each and every app one by one. Is it any better these days?

[–] TonyOstrich@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Play Store is truly vile to use. It just feels gross and scammy and like a mine field of low quality slop and scam apps.

iOS isn’t great either but it at least feels a whole lot better. The iOS store needs the ability to report fraid which it doesn’t sort until you install an app.

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[–] semperverus@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

Support devices like the Liberux Nexx or the pinephone, especially if you are a developer!

[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

We're all trapped. If you're not using either Android or iOS, you're pretty much screwed.

Technically, you can use one of the alternate phones, but the software support still leaves a lot to be desired. You can get most basic things working, but when it comes to crucial deal breaker apps like anything involving payments or banks, it gets a lot trickier. The world has become increasingly dependent on mobile phones, and if your phone can't handle train tickets, mail deliveries, restaurant reservations or pay your bills, it suddenly becomes very difficult to live in the 2020s.

More and more hardware also depends on specific iOS or Android apps, and those apps may also require GAPPS or some OEM Android. At some point, it just isn't worth the hassle, and it becomes easier to pick either one of the toxic platforms everyone else is already using.

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Long term you should look out for Waydroid compatible devices. Basically linux devices (smartphones, tablets, pcs) that run android containers very close to hardware so you can run your important android apps while not having to rely on the mess that android is for everything. There is a GApps version too if you need google shitware for some reason. Ubuntu Touch (smartphone os) is one of the most prominent to implement it. Personally i hope to eventually just get rid of my phone and only have a laptop with a sim-card and waydroid.

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 87 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Google keeps making everything worse.

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[–] majster@lemmy.zip 67 points 2 days ago (2 children)

MS keeps making Windows worse but that is not a problem because Linux is great on PCs. The reason is that PC is made out of standardized plug&play components that you can make generic OS image for.

There is no such thing in smartphone world. Each chipset is it's own Linux fork that gets only most crucial bug fixes while in warranty. Same is true for ARM SBCs where I believe the only board that supports generic image are new RPis.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Both ARM itself and Linux for ARM has been standardizing a fair bit recently. But not to the extent to be fully generic, mostly just enough for portable bootable kernels - and after that you still need all the same custom drivers and configurations to make proper use of a SoC, but it's not nothing.

https://linuxgizmos.com/ebbr-spec-to-bring-standardization-to-embedded-linux-boot-process/

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 56 points 2 days ago

Google should be broken up and its leadership fined into oblivion for anti competitive behavior

[–] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 52 points 3 days ago (4 children)

android peaked with the pixel 2. then everyone went overboard on bezel-less displays and fast refresh rates and smart assistant services and brought the whole damn thing crashing down.

[–] LedgeDrop@lemmy.zip 35 points 2 days ago (4 children)

... and I want my headphone jack, back.

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

I don't think the issue with phones is the smaller bezels or better displays.

That's not what's ruining them.

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[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Up until about two weeks ago I could use wallet on my rooted pixel with lineage and play integrity fix.

Some recent change on their end and it doesn't work at all anymore. I guess they don't want to know what I'm buying.

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[–] VicksVaporBBQrub@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Can I get a rundown of the few non-flagship phonemakers that are currently out there? I have heard of The Nothing Phone. Are there more companies that put together Androids to operate within the US?

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Fairphone just released the Fairphone 6.

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[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (15 children)

The big problem with anything not Google or Samsung is, as it's always been, software support. You get 2 or maybe 3 years of updates and then the device is trash. So you can save a buck on the short term but it will cost you more in the long run and you'll have shitty devices all the way along anyway.

You can buy a 2 year old Pixel for $2-300 and it will last you another 4-5 years (unless Google remotely nukes your battery).

[–] Gibibit@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Just because it doesn't have latest Android doesn't mean it's trash. And Fairphone also aims for 7 years support just like your Pixel example.

[–] hikaru755@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

It doesn't need to be the latest android version per se, but I wouldn't want to use a phone that's not getting security patches anymore

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[–] Prox@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Would Moto count? I've been rocking their basic-ass phones for years now. Way, way less bloatware than Samsung, etc. and only like $200 unlocked.

[–] xep@fedia.io 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think Moto is actually Lenovo now?

[–] comador@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Yup. Motorola is Chinese Lenovo now sadly. Lenovo is absolute trash devices and support.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Mobility

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[–] MysteriousSophon21@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

Besides Nothing Phone, you've got Fairphone (sustainable/repairable), Sony (great cameras), Asus (gaming focused), Nokia (budget-friendly), OnePlus (speed/value), and Xiaomi (if you can import) all working to varying degreees in the US market - tho carrier compatibility can be trickly so always check bands before buying.

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[–] Flukas88@feddit.it 33 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Sadly iOS is not much better

[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 15 points 2 days ago (3 children)

But is it even slightly better? It's debatable. Both are completely awful, but I guess iOS is just terrible in different ways.

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[–] No1@aussie.zone 33 points 2 days ago (4 children)

The stupid attempt to have everyone leave bluetooth always on pisses me off. They've made the BT quick tile 2 more presses to toggle on or off is ridiculous. It's not a quick tile.

I've just put a BT on/off widget on my home screen.

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[–] Canuck@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Mobile GNU/Linux is getting better, but I think it is 5-10 years out from what's needed. I suppose people need to adopt Desktop first. The nice thing is you can install Android apps including Google Play on it natively, and they appear in your app drawer like a regular app

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's a bit of a catch honestly.

OSS/community Linux graphical environments have kind of always been ~5 years out from what's needed. 15 years ago they were behind ~5 years, 5 years ago they where behind ~5 years.

The only difference is today. I think they're only behind by ~3-4 years thanks to the backwards movement of things like Windows and OSx staleness.

Mobile operating systems are in a worse place.

[–] seralth@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Unless they get NFC payments working on it and banking apps. It literally will never matter.

The single most common thing phones are used for at this point outside of entertainment is payments and banking.

[–] piyuv@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What’s wrong with tapless payment with cards?

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[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (5 children)

you can install Android apps including Google Play on it natively

What whaaaat? I didn't know this! Thanks for the tip

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[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The obfuscated nature of compiled code does an incredible amount of heavy lifting on behalf of shareholders. Imagine a world where x-ray specs suddenly revealed source code. The flight to open solutions would be irresistible. Windows is hot garbage but it clings to its market share like a limpet, through the magic of closed source, occupying space like a flabby tumour. It doesn't care if it kills the host because the top priority is growth and an unassailable market share. That's the magic of capitalism.

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[–] midtsveen@lemmy.wtf 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)
[–] oaklandnative@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Thanks for these, especially the "we're not going anywhere" link. I was hesitant to switch because I was worried about future support on my Pixel 7. Here's the full quote for anyone that didn't check the above link:

Many companies and individuals are trying to mislead people about the future of GrapheneOS to promote their insecure products and services. GrapheneOS is not going anywhere. We've made it clear we're shipping Android 16 soon and that the supported devices will remain supported.

[–] SeeFerns@programming.dev 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I really want to try a pinephone or something with Ubuntu touch. It’s likely not daily driver ready but I’m still curious at how far along it is.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Can't speak for Ubuntu Touch but tried PostMarketOS on PinePhone and PinePhone Pro.

The PP works well, good support for most things included SIM, camera, BT, etc but it's big and bulky, also IMHO not powerful enough for Waydroid so no Android apps, "just" Linux. Relying on the browser to avoid using app is rarely practical as it's too slow.

The PPPro being more powerful should cover the gap... but some lack of support, specifically the camera, makes it tricky as daily driver.

Both PP and PPPro don't have great battery and/or power management so you can go through a day of usage, barely, and you might get stuck in a cycling loop if you depleted it entirely. That means also as daily driver, if you are not very cautious, it's tricky.

So... we are nearly there but unless you have a very VERY minimum usage of your phone, basically a dumb phone with a bit of CLI to remote connect to your own server from time to time, it's probably not practical for now.

Maybe the Liberux NEXX thanks to its power would have closed the gap but the failed crowd funding campaign shows that price point does not have a market fit right now.

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[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

It's almost like the organization itself is designed to make things worse if it means short term profits, useful and appreciated apps sacrificed at the altar of line must go up

My pixel 5 recently broke and the only reason I went with a pixel 9a was to install grapheneOS on it as soon as I got it. The process has become way easier than it used to be. After setting up/skipping all the first run screens I plugged it into another Android device and used the grapheneOS site to run the install, took like 15 min.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

Tried to restart my fairly new Pixel phone a couple days ago by holding down the power button, but instead of showing the Power menu it prompted me to ask the Digital Assistant something. Excuse me? I don't remember enabling that. Every other phone I've ever had, holding down the power button has always been the way to power down or restart. I had to search Settings to find how to configure the power button to control the power. Or course maybe I could have asked the Digital Assistant - but fuck that.

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[–] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The best thing about switching to an iPhone is that I use my phone way lesser

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 11 points 2 days ago

I find myself using desktop Linux more than my mobile device, even on the couch with the family. Monitors on arms that can swing out of the way ftw. No cute advice for keyboards though. We have wireless ones around but I still use my wired Deck Legend on my lap. It’s an old mechanical keyboard that’s built like a tank, with the PCB literally mounted to a sheet of metal that is mounted inside the housing, lol.

It’s almost a shame, because smart phones are still absolutely amazing to me as far as the amount of scientific and technical advancement that can fit in the palm of your hand. But I look forward to the open options various parties are working on.

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