I take comfort in knowing that, if I live a normal lifespan, Trump will die in my lifetime. Unfortunately, all the hatred and bigotry won't die with him.
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DOJ Describes Plan To Denaturalize Citizens on Scale That Has Never Been Tried
(talkingpointsmemo.com)
He's absolutely a figurehead. Dozens of people are lining up to be the face of a much bigger fascist coalition.
Nobody else has the ability to be the cult leader that he is. But maybe they'll be entrenched enough that they don't need the cultists' support any more.
Plus, hasn't he pretty well decimated the GOP ranks? Any worthy competitor has been exiled or humiliated or both leaving the ranks filled with only sniveling sycophants and uncharismatic bigots.
The contest won't be over who can imitate Trump the best. It'll be who can use Trump as a martyr best. They all know Trump is the glue that holds their machine together.
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More a disfigurehead amiright?
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The cultural relief felt when thatcher died was palpable, and I wasn't even alive when she was actively fucking the country.
I lived near Brixton, South London. There was an immediate street party.
I have theories about what may happen when Trump inevitably dies. 1. The best case scenario is Trump dies, and his whole empire just slowly fizzles out and goes away. 2. Trump dies, and then the true religion of Trump begins much in the same way as Jesus when he was crucified, and his supporters believed that he will rise from the grave, bringing about a new apocalypse and judgment for the non-believers. 3. Trump dies and a new vicious wave of domestic terrorism breaks out all over the country if not, the globe. 4. Trump dies and his supporters go full Jonestown and commit mass suicide. 5. Trump dies and his supporters believe that he will reincarnate much like the Dalai Lama bringing forth a new group of charlatans and snake oil salesman, believing that they are the reincarnation of Trump starting a new way of life and a new cult of Trump. 6. Trump dies and his supporters do not believe it in and reported sightings of him being alive will exist far after the fact much the same way as Elvis.
I’m hoping for 4 but realistically I think it’ll be 5 but with a twist. They’ll have to find and agree to 1 leader, and internal fighting and splitting of the cult will begin. Whether or not they’re able to pick a leader will depend on how long t has left to live - he hasn’t publicly declared who is next in line and there isn’t anyone else that’s anywhere close to leading maga. If he dies today maga will be fucked.
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Of all the people for the dipshits to rally around, they picked this failed game show host. It's so very much stupider than I could have possibly imagined. I sort of get how they lionized Ronnie Raygun, despite how awful he was for this country and so on....the veneer at least seems halfway decent and he at least pretended to love this country and those that live in it.
Taco has just a complete disregard for everything good about this country and hates everyone. What is there to like about that?
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I believe Trump is just the warm up. Full on religious hegemony is yet to come.
We are far less religious than any point in recorded history.
And yet the people in charge of the judiciary are more religiously motivated than they've been in nearly a century.
It doesn't really matter if we as a society are less religious than ever if the people with their hands on the tiller are not. There's a reason they are called reactionaries......
100% this is part of p25. The dismantling of the government now will allow this to come into fruition. They’ll continue to remove everyone who won’t align, citizen or not.
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This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
People facing denaturalization get no free lawyer, meaning poor defendants often face the government alone. There’s no jury trial — just a judge deciding whether someone deserves to remain American. The burden of proof is lower — “clear and convincing evidence” instead of “beyond a reasonable doubt.” Most important, there’s no time limit, so the government can go back decades to build cases.
Exactly... don't blame the billionaires, oligarchs, or the criminally corrupt political class... don't blame the 70 million fascists, or the 100 million people who completely ignore politics... or the Democrats who fail to motivate all of them and maintain unwavering support for a genocidal ethnostate... or the 60 million neolib centrists who insist on supporting the lesser of two evils, and reject "radical change" after the 5th "once-in-a-lifetime" crisis in a decade.
Blame the phantom protest voters, without evidence, instead... THIS IS ALL THEIR FAULT.
The "protest voters" are basically "the jews" or "immigrants" scapegoat for liberals. At least you get to enjoy the smell of your own farts while the fascist coup proceeds unabated.
Oh... it's all of the people you mentioned. That doesn't excuse anyone who didn't vote against this
Who said I'm blaming? I'm informing protest-non-voters what they voted for. Honestly, that you feel/think blame is telling.
I'm not American, and I've advised people to vote blue no matter who for over 20 years, so as a foreigner watching America slide towards fascism for decades I can tell you, American liberals are just as much to blame for fascism as the uneducated morons brainwashed by it.
Both parties have been destroying the working classes economic mobility for almost 50 years. Just because 1 party is worse than the other that doesn't absolve either of their sins.
Yet now, at the final hour, you blame a phantom left for not biting the pillow, as though that would've changed the multi-decade fall of the empire.
I tell ya what, though. Just cry harder and blame the left. It's worked for fascism!
I’d say the big issue was being okay with the status quo for Democrats. A Republican administration would come in, set us back in several regards. Then the Democrats come back into power and shrug things off for a number of issues. For sure there were a number of problems they tried to fix and were focused on, but when the number of votes just aren’t there you gotta focus on the things you can fix. The main issue Democrats have allowed to simmer for some God forsaken reason and has made future problems was not trying to revert/amend the No Child Left Behind policies, the defunding of education, and not trying to bring back and expand the Fairness Doctrine to apply to all social media, including influencers.
I'm sure there are places on the Internet where you could sell that "ghost" story, but Lemmy during the runup to the election was like 45%+ people arguing for protest votes and vote abstaining as a means of "punishing" Democrats for a millenia-old religious feud on the other side of the world. Obviously this isn't physical, definitive proof that protest voters and abstainers actually moved the electoral needle for Trump, I'm just letting you know why no one's really buying it here.
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Feeling a little defensive, are we?
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For most of American history, taking away citizenship has been rare. But it increased dramatically during the 1940s and 1950s during the Red Scare period characterized by intense suspicion of communism. The United States government targeted people it thought were communists or Nazi supporters. Between 1907 and 1967, over 22,000 Americans lost their citizenship this way.
This is why it's not good enough to simply stop doing horrible shit...
We need to change the laws to prevent future admins from abusing them
Easiest way here is make losing citizenship a criminal charge, with the whole 'appointed lawyer' and 'burden of proof' that designation includes. That's one thing a Dem "Project 2029" should include.
Stop acting like laws can fix fascism. Half of everything Trump, the GOP, and every lobbyists, have ever done is criminal and breaking dozens of existing laws. Laws only matter if they're enforced, otherwise they are chains utilized by fascists to delay an appropriate counter-response.
The only thing that will fix fascism are general strikes large enough to damage the economy and make the capitalist/political class shit they're pants, or violence. None of these psychopaths are going down without a fight.
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Should, yes. Along with packing the court, expanding the House, instituting term limits, instituting nationwide ranked choice voting, eliminating ICE, and closing as many loopholes in executive power as they possibly can over the course of four years.
Of course, given the current DNC leadership's track record, Project 2029 is probably just an index card with "rename 'Alligator Alcatraz' to 'the Andrew M. Cuomo Federal Immigration Detention Facility'" and "Can We Officially Scowl At Donald Trump on the record?" right now. We need to primary everyone, at all levels, who doesn't have an actionable plan and the will to carry it out.
Native-born Americans never have to worry about losing their citizenship, no matter what they do.
that is far too confident a statement
They're called Indians are for a reason. So we're going to deport them to ..........throws a dart at a map the Indian Ocean.
I wasn’t aware that “denaturalizing” was an actual thing. Is this something with legal precedent, or just something Stephen Miller has made up.
Basically, can you afford a court case against the U.S. Government to prove you never made a mistake on paperwork, or someone translating for you didn't make a mistake. Was anything missing from your report you gave 20 years ago when you didn't speak English and they said include the following?
The thing that blows me away is why... It's just money being blown from our taxes, to deport people who pay taxes... In a time period they claim we need higher birth numbers because capitalism demands growth and population growth makes that easier to support the social programs we have left
It's all about power over people, so they can enrich themselves. They want slaves.
They want to deport brown people. To them that's worth the cost.
They're doing it to punish people they perceive as enemies.
They don't even have to do that now.
A few weeks ago SCOTUS ruled that defendents deported from the US illegally would have to separately file cases to overturn their denaturalisation.
So the govt doesn't even need to get a court order to deport anymore.
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There is legal precedent, but since 1968 it's generally only been used on war criminals who lied to gain citizenship. They're going to start expanding what they consider to be "fraud" to include things like spelling mistakes and clerical errors, which is total bullshit. More details are in the article.
The article states
The government can only do this in specific situations. It must prove someone “illegally procured” citizenship by not meeting the requirements, or that they lied or hid important facts during the citizenship process.
So, basically, it all goes back to that person's naturalization process, and the notion that there was something wrong with it. But for this administration, "hiding important facts" might mean "didn't tell us this tiny detail", or "didn't tell us they intended to vote for Liberals"....
I wouldn't put it past them to doctor old documents even. If ICE agents are willing to call livestreaming a "violent act" then they can self-justify fudging a document to deport another "invader".
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Cuban's and Venezuelan's are the main targets with this. And they overwhelmingly voted for Trump. (because a lot of them are far right refugees that fled Communist dictatorships) They thought a far right government in the US was on their side. FAFO.
I dIdN’t vOtE fOr tHiS.
Eeeyep. And my reply to them?
"You did. You absofuckinglutely did. History has proven time and time and time and (four hours later) time again that right-wing dictatorships do EXACTLY what the Shitgibbon's administration is doing. You voted for it. You just hoped it'd happen to the people you didn't like. News flash. They don't like you. So, pack your bags and drop your shorts. The Dildo of Consequences has arrived, and as usual, it is not lubed. Enjoy!!!"
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The government can only do this in specific situations. It must prove someone “illegally procured” citizenship by not meeting the requirements, or that they lied or hid important facts during the citizenship process.
Civil suit. Can anyone file a complaint?
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I'd like to point out a few things in this legal logic bomb here. I'm not a lawyer either but...
- The administration declared being illegal a crime even though it is a civil matter so they can create this illegal loophole.
- The article states that that removal of citizenship for criminal charges would allow trial by jury.
- The current administration is making denaturalization go through civil court to strip defendants of any right to a trial by jury or lawyers if they can't afford one.
However, if all defendants tried in civil court solely on the charge of being here illegally, then they are not a criminal for being illegal by their own definition because they are in civil court. Even if they are being busted for a crime other than being illegal, they still have to go through the criminal court process for denaturalization which is by a trial with jury. I'm going insane trying to follow this cluster fuck of logic. --
I hope you Americans are happy letting these people remain power, happy letting this happen.
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