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DOJ Describes Plan To Denaturalize Citizens on Scale That Has Never Been Tried
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This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
Exactly... don't blame the billionaires, oligarchs, or the criminally corrupt political class... don't blame the 70 million fascists, or the 100 million people who completely ignore politics... or the Democrats who fail to motivate all of them and maintain unwavering support for a genocidal ethnostate... or the 60 million neolib centrists who insist on supporting the lesser of two evils, and reject "radical change" after the 5th "once-in-a-lifetime" crisis in a decade.
Blame the phantom protest voters, without evidence, instead... THIS IS ALL THEIR FAULT.
The "protest voters" are basically "the jews" or "immigrants" scapegoat for liberals. At least you get to enjoy the smell of your own farts while the fascist coup proceeds unabated.
Oh... it's all of the people you mentioned. That doesn't excuse anyone who didn't vote against this
Who said I'm blaming? I'm informing protest-non-voters what they voted for. Honestly, that you feel/think blame is telling.
I'm not American, and I've advised people to vote blue no matter who for over 20 years, so as a foreigner watching America slide towards fascism for decades I can tell you, American liberals are just as much to blame for fascism as the uneducated morons brainwashed by it.
Both parties have been destroying the working classes economic mobility for almost 50 years. Just because 1 party is worse than the other that doesn't absolve either of their sins.
Yet now, at the final hour, you blame a phantom left for not biting the pillow, as though that would've changed the multi-decade fall of the empire.
I tell ya what, though. Just cry harder and blame the left. It's worked for fascism!
I'm sure there are places on the Internet where you could sell that "ghost" story, but Lemmy during the runup to the election was like 45%+ people arguing for protest votes and vote abstaining as a means of "punishing" Democrats for a millenia-old religious feud on the other side of the world. Obviously this isn't physical, definitive proof that protest voters and abstainers actually moved the electoral needle for Trump, I'm just letting you know why no one's really buying it here.
So... your argument has no evidence or basis in reality, beyond the anecdotal from your own experience on Lemmy/SM?
All you've done is provide another datapoint for why Liberals have helped turn America into a fascist dictatorship... Living in a manufactured reality based on feefees and propaganda instead of empiric evidence...
I mean, the evidence is right there.
In 2020, 81 million people turned out for Biden. That number decreased to 75 million in 2024.
In 2020, 74 million people turned out for Trump. That number increased to 77 million in 2024.
In 2020, roughly 2.9 million people turned out for a third party candidate. Of these, 1.8m went Libertarian, with 407k for Green. In 2024, 2.9 million turned out for a 3rd party. This time it broke 862k for the Greens, 756k for Junior (I refuse to sully the Kennedy Name with him!), and 650k for the Libertarians.
Explicit evidence that requires a minimum of data science skills to process. 6 million people who voted for Biden didn't turn out for Harris, while Trump somehow got 3 million more people to vote for him. Meanwhile, support for the Libertarians cratered by 1.2m, and support for the Greens doubled from 407k to 862k. And Junior? He was explicitly in the race to hurt Dems. So, another 756k added to the Dem 'alternative' vote, now split between two parties. So, from 1.8m spoiling the Right in 2020 to 1.6m spoiling the Left.
The data is there if you're willing to look. All 1.6m of those people who voted Green or Junior for some strange reason? They voted for this. Just like the 6 million people who voted for Biden in 2020 and didn't in 2024, or the unknown number of people, estimated betwen 90m and 100m, who sat home. And of course, the 77 million who voted directly for Trump. Every last one of these people, save the fraction of the 77 million who want what Trump promised, could have had a seat at the table and a voice at trying to drive the monolith that is US policy, but they elected to surrender their agency.
I know you don't like to hear this, but everyone who made those choices above has surrendered this country to Fascism. And I'm not sorry for calling it out.
I didn't make an argument at all, I simply described my experience of reality in an effort to help you understand why people here are disagreeing with you. Don't worry, I won't try to help you again.
I’d say the big issue was being okay with the status quo for Democrats. A Republican administration would come in, set us back in several regards. Then the Democrats come back into power and shrug things off for a number of issues. For sure there were a number of problems they tried to fix and were focused on, but when the number of votes just aren’t there you gotta focus on the things you can fix. The main issue Democrats have allowed to simmer for some God forsaken reason and has made future problems was not trying to revert/amend the No Child Left Behind policies, the defunding of education, and not trying to bring back and expand the Fairness Doctrine to apply to all social media, including influencers.
"D-don't blame people who allowed fascism to take over... that's mean... but FUCK those who tried to stop it, literally as bad as fascists!"
About the level of discourse I expect from Lemmy at this point.
Lol you're still on the blame strawman. Again, I am informing protest- non-voters what they voted for. That you keep trying to strawman this hard even after being corrected is funny. Ciao.
Ok, now go "inform" your shitty corpo democrats that they should PANDER BETTER to their own fucking electorate. Signed, a Canadian sick of stupid American politics. Do better yanks.
Feeling a little defensive, are we?
It’s partly their fault. If the lazy non voters participated in democracy we might not be here but apathy has always been the order of the day for them their whole lives. It’s not just last election, it’s all of em.
News flash: Everyone you mention is getting blame.
We're not absolving the 77 million (to correct your numbers) Trump voters. In fact, this is explicitly called out whenever someone says "This is not what I voted for!" on Team Red. Especially when we say "Oh, no, this is exactly what you voted for, but you voted for it to happen to other people. Suck it up, buttercup!"
And the 100 million non-voters? They are EXACTLY who are being called out by someguy3. I mean, 'protest-non-voters' explicitly belong in the group of 100 million who don't vote.
And don't forget a lesson everyone old enough to vote should have learned a loong, loong time ago. We don't always get what we want. When the choices are "Greater Evil" and "Lesser Evil", which they are all too often, either you vote "Lesser Evil" or accept the consequences of "Greater Evil". 100 million people said they couldn't be bothered to choose, and 2 million thought they had a viable alternative beyond "Greater Evil" and "Lesser Evil" and threw their votes away for distraction candidates.
And here we are. Enjoy your Mango Mussolini. That's the guy you picked with all the ranting you did above, assuming you didn't swallow your pride and vote Harris in '24. In that case, other people making your argument picked Mango Mussolini for all of us.
Please stop promoting this line.
There is a growing mountain of evidence people did vote. Votes weren’t counted. Overseas ballots never arrived.
This line of commenting validates the election for them.
He’s a cheater. He cheated in 3 elections. 1st one was too obvious 2nd one too many people voted against him to make the cheat work, making him think that the other side rigged it 3rd one was the smoothest fix ever with Elon money and know-how.
If you’ve wondered why everything looks like a coup since he got in, perhaps it is because it is one.
https://lemmy.world/post/31401705
https://youtu.be/AaKFx5rxdmA
https://smartelections.us/
https://electiontruthalliance.org/
Oh sweet summer child. The Russians did a decade of recon on the US election system before this play. Of all the elections to bitch about voters this is not the one. And people rang the alarms, DEFCON's voting village didn't exist until recently.
Wat.
I attended defcons voting village in 2017. That's not recent.
Yes I believe that was the first year. Do you remember why they added it?
Defcon 25 appears to be the first year of the voting village.
That said the late 2000s were full of discussion on voting machine security prior to the addition of the voting village. This was all old news by the time voting village was added.
This documentary explains where security was in 2006
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808532/
I haven't watched this in a very long time but the hackers managed to procure source code from a public sever run by the company making the machines (Diebold I think) and faced some legal issues as a result.
They also illustrated a proof of concept attack where a counting machine was made to miscount votes to favor one person over another.
For people not in the know its very important to know that it is ILLEGAL for an independent 3rd party to perform penetration tests on voting machines without the manufacturer's consent and the code that runs these machines is not public in any way that would allow for a proper audit of the systems to ensure that even the manufacturer has not tampered with the machine.
Yeah it's been in a bad state for a long time and that's what enabled 2016's initial recon campaign. And thus voting village was born. And everyone proceeded to ignore the nerds like any other dumb movie.
Welcome to the last 20 years. (Someone older than me would likely say last 40... and so on)
Who's bitching? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
If they're here they already know and you probably need to be rallying them.
I'm telling them to vote. This is inane, ciao.
No you're not, you're just needlessly antagonizing them to virtue signal.
If you think/feel antagonized, that's telling.
I wonder how you would classify their action of protest non voting lol. Ciao.