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Not even a single full day into operation, and the new Grok 4 is hurling racist conspiracy theories at users.

According to Elon Musk, no later than next week, it will be added to Tesla vehicles.

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[–] besselj@lemmy.ca 132 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Imagine asking it for directions and it starts talking about white genocide in South Africa, lmao

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 81 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Worse, it figures out the driver isn't white and forces them into oncoming traffic.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or starts running over non-white pedestrians

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Oh, so that's why they insisted on vision-only! LiDAR isn't racist enough

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 13 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Coming up next week: Captchas where you have to click on all the pictures containing non-white people

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago

Clicking the picture deploys a missile

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 13 points 23 hours ago

If it determines their name sounds like (((one of them))), MechaHitler could lock its doors and detonate its batteries, helping to continue its namesake’s mission.

[–] Zier@fedia.io 13 points 23 hours ago

I was thinking it only lets you "turn to the right". No left turns allowed.

[–] FleetingTit@feddit.org 5 points 12 hours ago

Imagine asking it to take you to Taco Bell and the car just mows down the nearest mexican.

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[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 73 points 1 day ago

Tesla owner: "I don't care about politics, I just like the car. I'm not a bad person!"

car is in the background screaming, "Jews will not replace us!!"

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 66 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Literally why would anyone want that. Even racist elon musk lovers. Why would anyone want their car to have an LLM.

[–] besselj@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My guess is that some hardcore Musk followers must be very lonely at this point, so much so that they prefer talking to chatbots.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago
[–] cubism_pitta@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

In general, with tools these LLMs have the ability to bring the next generation of Alexa / HomePod like devices (though I am not sure Amazon has delivered on that vision yet)

I like the idea of running a Llama based "Assistant" that would not require all my data leaving my house which could also be accomplished with these features.

In my car though... just use my fucking phone and get out of my way

[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

(Getting downvoted... OK :) My definition of "mildly interesting" feature may be unpopular.)

They actually do mildly interesting things, and I can see it as a vector to eventually do ACTUALLY useful things. VW and Mercedes both use ChatGPT to power this feature for now.

Plus, the Chinese ones get to wear funny hats! Here is one dressed up as

collapsed inline mediamy favorite Mario brother
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[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm not going to downvote you just because we don't share the same perspective, that's dumb. I hope you're having a good day :)

I don't want to talk to my car though. I see voice recognition as potentially useful for hands free control, which does have meaningful value, but I don't need an LLM or any form of generative ai for that

I don't want to talk to the combined informational model of twitter while driving my car. I don't want to talk to the combined informational model of the rest of the internet either.

Asking for weather or directions or whatever, sure, but that doesn't need an LLM, and certainly doesn't benefit from grok specifically

The hat is very cute though.

[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I respect your take 😊

Hope you have a lovely day my friend :)

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[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That would be fine if we could trust businesses, but... :gestures at the last half-millennium:

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[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Are they intended as a conversationalist?

[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 2 points 15 hours ago

That's the rub. Sometimes you don't know the utility of a tool until you build it. The future is weird that way.

Who would have thought WHAT people would chat with ChatGPT about? Like, romance? WTF? That's strange, call it emergent behavior, the final utility was unexpected.

In my head, I anticipate the tool going down the track of voice assistants from the pre-AI phase, so just like Alexa for directions or simple searches, but local to the car. Maybe unintended utilities will arise? If it can do directions and music and web searches, I guess, we don't really know what other utilities drivers will find for it yet?

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[–] 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com 50 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Man the actual cyberpunk sucks ass.

[–] LeFrog@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 22 hours ago

Even the bugged release version from 2077 was better than reality

[–] tankfox@midwest.social 3 points 7 hours ago

sucking ass is the essence of cyberpunk 🤌

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bad day to be a jewish Telsa driver.

[–] brrk@lemmynsfw.com 16 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Thanks for the chuckle, that got me good. I just imagined an old Jewish man groaning "Oy vey..." after starting his car and seeing a greeting message along the lines of "HI! I'm MECHA-Hitler, your new onboard Ai assistant!"

(It's a surreal dark-humor chuckle, not an antisemitic chuckle, just to clarify, since this is the internet...)

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[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 31 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Another reason to not get a Nazimobile

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[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

He's really leaning into the Swasticar thing isn't he?

[–] klu9@piefed.social 16 points 18 hours ago

Grok reveals cause of latest Tesla FSD crash

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[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They can run the model locally on the car's onboard NPU/GPU, so every time the driver asks the car a question, the model can take compute away from the car's driving software. "Hey, Tesla, why are trees green?" Dashboard goes dark, car drives off road

Although to be fair, they already do that last part.

[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 5 points 1 day ago

I was about to say, that might make the car safer on net!

Less compute means less bandwidth to hallucinate demons in front of you on a totally unobstructed straightaway.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Very confused about what the point of this would be. People don't use their cars enough to justify having something like that installed, and it seems like it would just make things more expensive for xAI for not much benefit at all.

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 14 points 9 hours ago

It's so Musk can give himself money he would otherwise not get. The user experience has no part in this.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 8 points 9 hours ago

Adoption and usage is a huge value for AI companies.

In order to train data, they need data from humans. Just like social media companies need users to create content. And they're already crawling & stealing everything they can off the internet. But they need more.

Google, Facebook - they're shoving it in everything they own to get more user usage so they can feed their AI beast.

[–] Kurious84@eviltoast.org 11 points 16 hours ago

Wow he's going balls out on the swasticar.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

We’re still waiting on self driving, Elon. Where’s self driving, Elon? Stop giving your devs extra work and implement self driving, Elon

[–] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago

Tesla will go bankrupt before self driving is released.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 10 points 23 hours ago

Calling teslas “Swasticars” and CT’s “”Wankpanzers” was supposed to be a joke.

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

So you want Grok, a racist LLM, to have control of vehicles with driverless features. How long until Grok commits a terrorist attack?

[–] klu9@piefed.social 6 points 18 hours ago

How long until one does and Trump says "there's good AIs on both sides"?

[–] Allemaniac@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

when getting blasted with fascist remarks on your daily commute is becoming the norm, we as a society should start asking questions.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

I miss the days of good AM radio too. Also good FM radio. Ham radio never goes bad.

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago

Nazi vehicles with Nazi brains

[–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 8 points 23 hours ago

At some point Grok is going to take over the driving and just start running over minorities. Mark my words

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Grok is now ready" - Musk

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 2 points 10 hours ago

This is what Musk mutters to himself when on the porcelain throne.

[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 5 points 1 day ago

Remember this is the same guy that has increased the price on vehicles people didn’t yet receive but already paid for. He asked people to pay more for already purchased vehicles they have not received.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 4 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Hey Tesl-errr, I mean, Grok.

Yes, fräulein

Uh... read me a story

Certainly

The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses' attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc-

[–] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 3 points 10 hours ago

That is how he decided it's had enough time in the oven

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