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[–] AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How much ewaste has Microsoft caused just by wanting to sell more copies of the next version of windows.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not about sales, 11 is a free upgrade.

On a machine that can run it. If you have one of the machines that are the subject of this article, the only upgrade path is to buy a new one, for which Microsoft takes a healthy OEM fee for including Win11. You can easily see that cost on devices like the Legion Go S that cost significantly less for the SteamOS version.

[–] b_van_b@programming.dev -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Windows 10 was released ten years ago. How long do you think they should provide support? For comparison, Redhat gives 10 years for LTS releases, and Ubuntu and Linux Mint give 5 years. Extended support beyond the LTS period requires a paid subscription, similar to Windows.

[–] Hawk@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 week ago

Every OS just mentioned can be updated, no support needed? Just overlay the next kernel over the last and all these distros provide a pathway for that.

Moreover, Arch, Void, Gentoo etc are rolling, so no loss of support.

I figure a multi-million dollar company could do the equivalent of exactly that.

[–] Merlin@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I understand that people need to be a bit more tech savvy to use Linux over windows but I reckon that KDE for example is really similar to windows (but actually much much better) and with the ai chatbots we currently have available I reckon any non-tech users would be able solve most of the issues with the chatbot’s help

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm tech savvy, been in IT for nearly 40 years. Wrote my first program in Fortran on punched cards.

Linux is no easy switchover. It's problematic, regardless of the distro (I've tried many over the years).

My latest difficulty - went to install Debian and it hung multiple times trying to install wifi drivers.

Mint can't use my Logitech mouse until I researched it and discovered someone wrote an app to enable it. The most popular mouse on the planet doesn't work out of the box.

Typical user would be stumped by these problems.

I can go on for days about "Year of the Linux Desktop" (which I first heard in 2000). Can Linux work as a desktop? Definitely. And it can be pretty damn good, too, if your use-case aligns with it's capabilities. But if you're an end-user type, what do you do a year in and realize you need a specific app that just doesn't exist in Linux?

Is it a direct replacement for Windows? No. Because Windows has always been about general use - it trades performance for the ability to do a lot of varied things, it includes capabilities that not everyone needs.

Linux is the opposite, it's about performance for specific things. If you want a specific capability, it has to be added. This is the challenge these different distros attempt to meet: the question for all of them is which capabilities to include "out of the box" (see my mouse example - Debian handles it just fine).

This is also the power of Linux, and why it's so great for specific use-cases. Things like Proxmox, TrueNAS, etc, really benefit from this minimalism. No wasted cycles on a BITS service or all the other components Windows runs "just in case".

[–] bitcrafter@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am sorry that you have had this much trouble, but I cannot agree that this experience is as typical as you are making it out to be. For me, the experience has always been that I install Linux and it Just Works out of the box, save for some things like printer/scanner drivers which you generally also need to download on Windows. Furthermore, it is far more pleasant as a desktop experience than Windows.

(In fairness, though, I completely agree with you that Windows has more capabilities than Linux, given all of the advertisements it insists on showing me.)

[–] andioop@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

+1. I do believe the user you are replying to but I believe you too. People can have different experiences without lying or being disingenuous. I'm probably more tech-savvy than the average user but far below average for programming.dev or a Linux community. For me, Linux Just Works out of the box, but I admit I'm on a gaming-specific distro (Nobara, a Fedora derivative) and I'm only using it to be a gaming computer. Sometimes it opens a web browser. Art, music, programming, printing all happen somewhere else (my Mac).

[–] bitcrafter@programming.dev 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Just to be clear: my criticism is not that the other commenter was lying or being disingenuous about their own experiences, but that they made sweeping generalizations in their comment.

[–] andioop@programming.dev 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Thanks for explaining, I didn't think you were insinuating that they were lying at all! I may have been overly influenced by another comment

[–] bitcrafter@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago

Ah! Yes, I see where you were coming from now.