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They sell things that come in cups, or with napkins. Lots of people cycle/run/walk here instead of driving, seems pretty stupid.

Taking away the bins doesn't mean you don't produce rubbish....

Edit: I think there is still a bin IN the cafe, but most people eat/drink outside. Lots of people asking staff where the bins are. Still hypocritical I think though? (And still mildly infuriating to remove well used bins!)

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[–] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 158 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I used to work for the Woodland Trust and believe that this is the right thing to do. Bins in woodlands do not get emptied often and will often overflow and attract unwanted pests like rats. Rats will also eat the eggs of ground nesting birds and cause other environmental issues.

If they are selling food on site then the food vendor should have a bin that their customers can use inside their cabin/cafe and dispose of the waste daily as part of the service.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 93 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Bins in woodlands do not get emptied often and will often overflow

Think I found the problem— why not do the obvious thing and empty them more often?

[–] abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (31 children)

Genuine answer here, as someone who volunteers for the parks. A lot of times the budgets are tight, depending on whose responsibility it is to clean up the area and what services are there/nearby, the staffing just isn't available. Yeah it's a pretty easy thing to do in theory, but in practice when it becomes "okay and 2 hours of your shift is driving out there and emptying the cans" it's not a far leap to just "Remove the cans, make the snack stand dispose of their garbage on their own"

I mean I get it, the cans are nice but also, like you're an adult. Throw your trash away on your own.

"But then people will throw it on the ground!" Okay then pay someone to stand out there and slap every idiot that thinks littering is okay because they couldn't find a can in 10 seconds.

It's common decency in plenty of places around the world to take your garbage with you until you find a can. It's not hard.

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[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

Who’s gonna do it and pay for it?

If people weren’t such babies and cleaned up after themselves, we wouldn’t need to waste taxpayers money on cleaning up after adults who could do it themselves.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I dunno about you, but if I see a bin in a public area, I assume some is paid to empty it. I don’t empty it myself.

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[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Who’s gonna do it and pay for it?

Sounds like there's a bunch of people and some kind of organisation that runs this area, after all, they made the decision to take the bins away. This is also a cafe area, so someone's making money off this zone.

THOSE PEOPLE ARE.

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[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

This is right by the cafe/site office/car park though. The reception desk is about 20m to the left and staffed during daylight hours year round.

Not like it's in the middle of nowhere.

I get your point, there are very few bins elsewhere (mostly by the other car parks) and that's fine. It's just that the place that gives you rubbish makes it hard to responsibly get rid of it.

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[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 99 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Gentrified forest is the most cursed phrase I heard in a minute.

[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 16 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I think it's a pretty good description. Has a tarmac car park, cafe, bike hire, 3 go ape routes, wheelchair accessible routes and until recently, bins!

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[–] HorseFD@lemmy.world 63 points 1 week ago (4 children)

This is the reason given in Australia by Parks Victoria

LEAVE NO TRACE

Advocate for minimal-impact practices wherever you go. Many people are surprised to find no bins in national parks. Waste attracts native animals, which can change their natural behaviour and harm both natural and cultural sites, as well as your personal belongings.

Always bring rubbish bags (and one for your neighbour) and take all your rubbish home. Help educate others about the importance of leaving the park pristine, minimising your impact on the delicate balance of the ecosystem.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 57 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

That might sound backwards but it isn't

Squirrels and raccoons will rummage, and disperse trash. There isnt much you can do about that beyond 1. Harm wildlife or 2. Reduce trash.

Edit: Damn, this thread is full of people I would be fucking embarrassed to camp with. Where do y'all like to experience the outdoors so I can be sure to not cross your paths?

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 31 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Or 3, provide animal-proof garbage disposals.

[–] zerakith@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago

I'll go out on a limb that Raccoons won't rummage here :)

I agree with the sentiment but if they have a cafe selling things in disposable packaging then the best thing they can do is provide bins to deal with it. Pretending they don't generate rubbish is just a false accounting trick.

[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 15 points 1 week ago

No racoons here. The previous bins had spring loaded flaps to keep the animals out.

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[–] lost_tortie@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago

please clean up after yourself.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The only way this will work is if humans behave in ways that no human has ever humaned

[–] pishadoot@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago (4 children)

There are countries where this is culturally how litter is managed. Japan is a fully developed example - bins are hard to come by, everyone brings their trash with them.

It can be done.

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[–] criitz@reddthat.com 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I'd give this some odds of reducing trash pollution. It can seem frustrating, but it MAY change people's behavior in a way that reduces litter. Behavioral economics can be counterintuitive.

EDIT: What matters is the result. If this makes more people litter, they should probably bring back the bins. If this reduces litter, they should keep it this way, regardless of how inconvenient or "stupid" you the reader find it.

[–] bali10050@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (3 children)

No. Most people just start littering when there's no trash bins nearby.

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Think of the stupidest person you know, etc etc.

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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago (7 children)

If you operate a business that sells things in paper plates and wrappers, you certainly have a moral responsibility to have waste receptacles to collect those waste products.

The problem isn't that a park lacks trash cans. The problem is that a cafe removed their trash bins.

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[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)

"we don't want to pay human beings to do the necessary work created by our business, so we're offloading it to you."

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[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

...huh? They want to cut down on litter by removing the convenient locations for people to dispose their would-be litter?

Fuck there are some incredibly fucking stupid people in charge of places right now...

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[–] Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 27 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Weird, when Japan does it everyone praises them. I guess us western societies are just too trashy to clean up after ourselves.

[–] Jimbabwe@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I came here to comment on Japan, haha. Almost everywhere you go, no trashcans and no trash! Their society is like a hive mind in a lot of ways, though. I’m not sure it’ll work with Rugged American Individualism®

Edit to add: Damn, I just realized OP is in England. Maybe they can make it work.

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[–] Pondis@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

Sounds to me like they just dont want to empty the bins any more. I suspect after a few months of picking rubbish off the floor, the bins will be back.

Or not and everyone will complain and stop going.

[–] F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"We don't have enough funds to make the guys do that route, what do we do? what did you say Shannon? masquerade it as taking care of the environment? that's fantastic"

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[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 23 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Growing up in the 60s, we saw anti-littering commercials, called PSAs (Public Service Announcements),on TV every day. Ask any older American what they remember about those PSAs, and they will say "The crying Indian."

Today, they never show those anymore, and i am seeing young people littering as a result. I was recently in a fast food lot, and saw a car pull in, a young guy about 20 get out, and throw a bunch old fast food trash into the bushes, then walk into the restaurant. He passed a trash can next to the door on his way in, where he could have tossed his trash, but he just tossed it in the bushes instead.

I collected up the trash, and set it on the hood of his fancy hot rod.

I've seen plenty of similar examples in the last few years, because young people dont see those PSAs telling them not to, and even their parents havent been educated to teach them.

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[–] HollowNaught@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Wait, so there are bins inside and they don't want bins outside because it's a wildlife area?

Sounds like OP's a little lazy, this is a very understandable change

[–] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

But they sell disposable items, likely for profit. They can't have a system to dispose of trash in a responsible manner?

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[–] liv@lemmy.nz 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

This has been happening in New Zealand for a while. The theory seems to be that bins attract more litter and are a hazard to wildlife.

I was sceptical at first but it actually seems to work.

Perturbs me that they are selling food though. Surely yhe food sellers should have bins for which they are responsible in their immediate vicinity.

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[–] LuckyPierre@lemm.ee 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

One problem with outside bins is that the wildlife is naturally drawn to them and the contents can be damaging to them as well as desensitising animals to people, plus things like squirrels and birds will pull rubbish out of the bins and spread it around.

[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 25 points 1 week ago

Why not put that on the sign then instead of some vague, unrelated bollocks that doesn't justify the removal? If that's the case then I feel the wording on the sign is borderline dishonest.

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[–] TheDeadlySquid@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago

Pack in, Pack out.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago

I was walkin' through the forest

And a sign said they removed the bins to produce less rubbish

"We kindly ask all visitors to take their litter home!"

Man, what do I look like, a garbage bin?

I threw it on the ground!

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

We survive that way in Japan with almost no bins. Of course the odd person litters, but most don't; if we can pack it in, we can pack it out. Now, if there were no bin inside the cafe, that would be idiotic.

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[–] Syun@retrolemmy.com 18 points 1 week ago

The places with the fewest places to deposit one's trash are always the ones with the most litter. Always.

If someone wants another person to adapt a behavior, from a purely practical standpoint, that person must make the other person's job easier or it will simply not work to get them to adapt. If this wasn't a forest (such as it is, it being the UK), the only proper thing to do would be to dump as much trash there as possible while demanding the bins back until they get the message and cave in. I could write a whole book here about how the packaging industry paid lobbyists and PR firms to put the blame on consumers for the useless crap they make existing in the first place, and shaming them into keeping it out of sight and thus out of mind. I won't. But it's a tale vile enough that it convinced me that there's a time and a place for littering as protest. The woods aren't the place.

Besides, there ARE receptacles that are critter resistant. This is an absolute cop out, and seeing how landscaped the area is, a couple of bins would hardly scar the landscape. This is pure crap. I looked the place up, and it's NOT the kind of place where you deny people trash receptacles, nor is it the kind of place you can credibly base your argument on "we don't want animals to get used to people". Good lord, what a bunch of idiocy.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"To support our commitment to reducing the number of covid cases, we have elected to discontinue counting them. We kindly ask all infected to kindly die at home."

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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You can always take your trash with you instead of expecting someone else to take it for you. The culture of throwing shit away instead of reusing, and reducing, is so ubiquitous, that's the infuriating thing.

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[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (13 children)

This is basically ubiquitous on many public lands, specifically here in the US. The term is "carry in, carry out." Bins accumulate trash (obviously) which in turn is an attractant for rodents, bears, raccoons, etc. which causes its own problems. Wild animals should not be artificially fed by human trash. Trash can also be blown out of cans, or scattered by animals. Overall, especially for low traffic environments, the best plan is to have people take all their trash out with them.

TL;DR: Pack out your trash.

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[–] ericthemighty@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (6 children)

It mildly infuriates me that you can't see the logic in taking your rubbish with you when you leave.

[–] alphapuggle@programming.dev 35 points 1 week ago (4 children)

While this is the ideal outcome, in reality people are just going to throw their trash in the bushes.

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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (22 children)

Saying they are committed to producing no rubbish on site on a sign, then selling things that result in rubbish, is hypocritical.

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[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I can see taking things that I brought with me like granola bar wrappers and water bottles, but if you have a cafe selling cheeseburgers, fountain drinks, and coffee, it seems dumb to expect people to carry all that home rather than allowing them to throw it away at the same place they bought and consumed it.

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[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's like my university campus removing all ashtrays to stop people from smoking.

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