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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 129 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Wait I thought stock buybacks and hollowing out all our dedicated talent didn't have consequences?

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 121 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Was funny when they said they needed more original games like Hi Fi rush after firing the people that made Hi Fi rush.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 10 points 22 hours ago

Everyone knows developers only have one good game in them.

[–] Aielman15@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The problem at this point is not so much that they don't have games - they have released plenty in the past few years and most have been received positively.

The problem is that they released those games too late, and by that point, the ship had already sailed. After a streak of disappointing years with the XOne, they needed strong titles to pair up with XSeries. Instead, they released jack shit for an entire year, and after that the disappointment just grew further with the likes of Halo Infinite, Starfield and the weird vampire game nobody asked for.

By that point, everyone already got themselves a PS5, a Switch, a gaming PC or a handheld device. Xbox needed to show their fans they believed in their mission and were capable of delivering strong titles on their platform, but everyone saw their releases and said "Meh".

The strong titles eventually came, but by that point they had already decided to port them over to the competition to offset the cost, and everyone saw the writing was on the wall for the platform.

Spencer can go on stage spewing whatever bullshit he wants, but nobody outside of the most diehard Xbox fans believe that the platform has a future - and it's very hard to convince people to invest on your platform when it's not certain how many more years it will be supported, and whether your store will remain accessible or shut down a few years down the line.

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The PS5 killed Xbox for me.

[–] scops@reddthat.com 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I know people hate the idea of console exclusivity, but without it, that's what really killed the Xbox for me. I've got a gaming PC and a PS5 (not Pro), and I could afford an Xbox Series X if I really wanted to. I simply don't know of any games on the platform that I want and can't get somewhere else.

And that's not coming from a reflexive Microsoft hater. I had an OG Xbox (and loved the old Duke controller), 360, and One S. I just barely played the latter.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

It's too expensive to make those kinds of exclusives anymore, which means they take longer to make, which means there are fewer of them. Sony can't make enough PlayStation exclusives to justify me buying a PlayStation anymore, so I don't buy one, so they put them on PC too, so there's even less reason for me to have a PlayStation. Console exclusives are on their way out of fashion.

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

The PS5 killed console gaming for me. Scalpers selling it for 1200 bucks sealed the deal for me to get a PC.

The PS4 killed Xbox for me.

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[–] 332@feddit.nu 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Have you considered firing half the workforce and pushing AI harder? I think that might fix it.

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[–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 115 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Part of the problem might be that I literally have no idea what their current console is called? Whoever was in charge of naming the last threeish xbox consoles should be fired out of a cannon

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They had all that free marketting from people assuming the third one would be the 720 and they ditched it in favor of calling it the Xbox One, which everyone was already using for the name of the first Xbox. Still baffled by that one.

[–] egrets@lemmy.world 70 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (5 children)

I can't think of a single company worse at naming products and services than Microsoft. They have an abysmal track record. Some examples off the top of my head, all of which make web searches near-impossible:

  • They renamed Office 365 to just "365" (and then "365 Copilot"). The mind boggles.
  • They named their light extensible code editor "Visual Studio Code", despite the fact that they had a long-established IDE (for code) called "Visual Studio".
  • They called their application framework "the .NET framework".
  • They called the replacement framework ".NET Core", and after a few major versions, changed to calling it ".NET", but it's totally distinct from the .NET framework.
  • They called their ninth major desktop operating system "Windows 7", then followed up with "Windows 8" and... "Windows 10".
  • Their native web app replacement for Outlook is called "New Outlook".
  • They recently renamed their Remote Desktop app "Windows App". I have no words.
[–] Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

One would almost think they are having a laugh, but no it's for real (I don't think are intentionally trying to come up with such comically stupid naming policies).

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago

You forgot about Teams (New)

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[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

Yeah, totally agree on this. If you put the last two names in front of me and asked which was newer, I’d have no idea. The new one has multiple versions too so it makes it more confusing.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, after the 360 they had XXXbox sitting right there and they acted like they were too good for it. Prudes.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 7 points 22 hours ago

It's my sexbox and her name is Sony!

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 14 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Microsoft suck at naming things in general. It's a problem across every single branch of the business, people keep calling Office 365 0365 because Microsoft insists on calling it O365 and people think that's a zero. Also the name makes no sense anyway, why not call it Microsoft Office Online?

Then we have Microsoft Azure, except they renamed that to Entra despite the fact that both names are stupid. Then of course there is the entirety of the Windows OS lineup.

[–] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 16 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Entra isn't Azure. Entra ID is what they renamed Azure Active Directory to. But not always; there's also Azure Active Directory B2C (yes, that's the fully expanded name). And various other Azure-branded things that may or may not belong together.

Microsoft are spectacularly bad at naming things.

It's a miracle they haven't renamed Windows 11 to "360 365" or "Live 6.5" or "Active-DOS Series X" or something.

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 7 points 2 hours ago

I think It's called Xbox Series 365 Office Copilot Pro+ for .NET

[–] simple@piefed.social 57 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

"And here's the thing — maybe it will work," she added. "Xbox has a deep portfolio. [Oblivion Remastered] was obviously a huge success, and they can continue to outsource that work to external companies and make a lot of money releasing their older games — older games from an era when Xbox knew how to build them."

Shots fired. Despite Microsoft constantly claiming Xbox is here to stay and they're working on the next console, it's very clear they're trying to transition off hardware back into Windows so they don't lose that too since Linux is dominating the handheld market. Even if they do make a new console, theyll put as much effort into it as the Xbox One.

[–] riskable@programming.dev 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Microsoft is trying to make Xbox into Windows: Where 3rd parties make the hardware and then license the platform from Microsoft. It's a vastly more profitable model. Especially if they get all those end users signed up for a subscription service.

The problem is that the world thinks of "Xbox" as a console (and a specific kind of controller). To pull this off Microsoft is going to have to re-brand Xbox entirely by making people think of it more like a game-specific app store that runs on Windows and special handheld hardware. It won't be easy.

There's a bigger problem with this plan though: No real coordination with the Windows OS team. Windows on handhelds sucks. The past twenty fucking years of Windows development has been almost entirely focused on improving enterprise features with very little attention paid to end users or gaming.

Growth in Windows gaming has come despite Microsoft's investments. Not because of them. In fact, I'd argue that if it weren't for Steam, Windows—as a gaming platform—would be a fraction of what it is today.

Don't get me wrong, though! I love this new Xbox roadmap! Windows gaming has been holding back Linux desktop adoption for far too long. The latest benchmarks that show games on SteamOS vastly outperforming the new Xbox-branded handhelds pretty clearly demonstrates all that bashing of Windows by Linux nerds was deeply accurate.

It turns out that Linux on the desktop really is superior! 🤣

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[–] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the xbone was the last console I bought. Soured the pot so bad on what I enjoyed about console gaming. I already had a PC, but still enjoyed the couch casual sessions that seemingly don't exist, and haven't for over a decade

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I’ve just had my gaming PC hooked up to my living room TV for the last several years. I have a lower power desktop on my room for anything that isn’t gaming. I can’t imagine buying one of the modern consoles just for their limitations alone.

Plus I just wait a few years and 95% of the explained make their way to PC anyway.

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[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 32 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (12 children)

Well, everyone say hello to the $1000+ PlayStation 6.

What're you going to do, buy an Xbox? Build a PC with a GPU alone that costs almost the same?

No Xbox means Sony gains a monopoly on the console market. Unless Nintendo decides to actually compete with regular hardware again, which they won't.

[–] Havoc8154@mander.xyz 24 points 22 hours ago (9 children)

Nah, I'll just keep gaming on a cheap Linux PC and fuck ever buying a console again. Honestly at this point a 5 year old GPU gives you access to 99% of all games ever made, why spend so much to play 4 shitty 'AAAA' games a year?

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 14 points 14 hours ago

But consider... Steam Deck.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago

We passed the point of diminishing returns for graphics years ago. There's no point in keeping up with the latest hardware anymore.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 29 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Well yeah because they screwed up one of their main franchises. All they had to do was leave Budgie alone to make Halo games, but no.

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 28 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Bungie didnt want to make halo games anymore though

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (3 children)

Well too fucking bad, cause Halo is the only thing they're good at. They should have sucked it up and kept iterating on Halo 3. That game was peak Xbox.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 5 points 15 hours ago

Hey MDK deserves another one.

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[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

"There is literally no reason to buy this handheld," Fryer opined of the ROG Xbox Ally. "

You want access to games or services that are either better or only available on Windows without having to deal with the desktop Windows interface. That is literally the reason to buy it. Game Pass and popular live services can woo plenty of people over.

Gotta say, from the few times I've come across her channel, she seems like a shit-stirrer, and right wing rage baiters seem to love quoting her.

But what is the long-term plan?

To transition to a world where "Xbox" is the brand slapped across Microsoft's Windows gaming endeavors and they mostly serve as a Game Pass purveyor and the largest third party publisher by market cap.

Where are the new hits?

This one is really surprising as a question, because if you could will hits into existence, everyone would do it, but for a publisher of their size, they're doing more in recent years to create new franchises than most, even if they then lay off the team behind Hi-Fi Rush. South of Midnight came out this year; Outer Worlds 2, Avowed, and Grounded all came out of Obsidian as well as the much smaller Pentiment; and Clockwork Revolution got a sizable demo on display just this summer.

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago

F tier click bait. Literally nothing informative was said in here.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm sure they can but I think they also see the growth in the PC gaming industry as a potential opportunity to capitalize with "XBOX OS".

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[–] ter_maxima@jlai.lu 7 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

While this is bad for the market, it's also entirely expected.

Xbox have been producing sub-par hardware with names no one can remember and barely any exclusives, it was only a matter of time.

To other Europeans : do you know anyone who owns an Xbox ? I've only ever had one single friend in middle school who had a 360. I've never seen any other model outside of an electronics store.

Their current gen is hamstrung by the existence of the Series S, and the utter lack of features in their controllers (no gyroscope or any motion sensors ? No advanced rumble ? No touchpad ?). No one who is serious about controller gaming buys an Xbox controller, especially because of the lack of gyro.

Their dedication to digital-only and pushing the games pass also alienates anyone who wishes to play physical games and/or offline.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 hours ago

I think that xbox controller are the best controllers for PC, so I don't need all the advanced features, but otherwise, you are right.

Their market is now clearly gamepass + Windows. Microsoft is banking on their market share to sell gamepass and capture the market.

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[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Waiting for xsx to go on clearance

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 6 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

With the rise of game streaming services like Xbox Cloud Gaming and Amazon Luna I predict that the console market is basically over. I honestly don’t expect Microsoft to release another console and if Sony does it’s almost certain to be the last. Nintendo may stick with it longer since they just released the Switch2 but they seem to be prepping for it with the digital key thing.

It sucks for the players but it makes fiscal sense for the Publishers and Console Makers (Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo) if there is an industry wide pivot to game streaming where players are required to pay every month. I know that some games don’t lend themselves well to this, yet, but it’s blatantly obvious (at least to me) that this is where the industry is headed.

We’ve already reached the end of “Console Exclusive” games and I think what comes next is “Streaming Platform Exclusive” games. I think what comes after that is the Publishers establishing their own Streaming Platforms for their own games.

This is precisely what has happened with the rest of the entertainment industry and there’s no reason I can see for gaming, which is a subset of that same industry, to do anything else now that the streaming technology exists.

Steam and GOG will end up pushed out of the market or they will also become Streaming Platforms, just ones that cater to a different set of players.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Streaming has plateaued, and I don't see anyone overcoming that plateau. The console market is coming to an end, but the transition is to PC gaming, not streaming, and we can measure that.

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[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Steam will end up pushed out of the market

This has been explicitly attempted 3 times already, and that really didn't work out well for anybody who tried it.

Epic Games Store still resorts to bribing people with free games to keep their monthly active user numbers up, hemorrhaging money to attract users who are rarely interested in anything more than freebies.

EA and Ubisoft tried to forgo Steam releases in favor of their own stores and launchers in an attempt to keep 100% of the revenue. They eventually relented, releasing their games on Steam again. Even Blizzard joined in, adding Diablo 4 and Overwatch 2 to Steam.

And Microsoft's attempt to dethrone Steam by releasing games through the Windows app store just ended up with Valve funneling considerable resources into helping Linux and WINE become a viable alternative to Windows for gaming.

Unless Valve enshittifies or legal shenanigans ensue, they're pretty unlikely to be pushed out of the market. No single game or game series is good enough to capture the entire market of Steam users and permanently drive them to alternative platforms. On top of that, Steam has a huge following of users who are loyal to the company, which is both insane and insanely hard to compete against.

or they will also become Streaming Platforms

Maybe, maybe not. I don't see it happening, though. Valve makes money hand over fist from digital sales alone, and they have more to lose in pissing off their customers by selling subscriptions than they have to gain by selling subscriptions.

I am concerned about GOG and PC hardware prices, though.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 22 hours ago

I can't see streaming games being anything other than a niche market. It puts the burden onto the streamer, in order to be competitive they look after constantly be upgrading their offering, they will have to have multiple server centres around the world, they will always be beholden to crappy ISPs who just don't upgrade their infrastructure.

With local hardware you shortcut all of that, upgrading of your hardware is done by the user so they're not going to complain if it's out of date, you don't have to have any server centres, and the ISP issues either don't matter for single player games that were massively reduced for multiplayer games, now they don't actually have to send video over the connection. .

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Makes sense honestly. I am incredibly underwhelmed with my series x.

[–] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I feel her pain. Seamus Blackly and Jay Allard probably feel the same.

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