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[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 149 points 1 day ago (8 children)

The suspect faces several charges of second-degree murder.

This baffles me. Looking up your fucking victim's addresses isn't enough evidence of premeditation to qualify for first-degree charges?

[–] three@lemmy.zip 148 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In Minnesota, a grand jury is required for first degree. This is just a placeholder charge until they can get a jury.

[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 day ago

That's what I figured after thinking about it, that there had to be some procedural reason for it.

[–] centof@lemm.ee 39 points 1 day ago (5 children)

If he was left-wing, this would be prosecuted (and propagandized by the media) as terrorism.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 23 points 1 day ago

he wouldve been charged already, much like with mr luigi was. since he targeted the protected ":class"

[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago

Which, funnily enough, would also qualify the murders as first-degree under Minnesota state law: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.185

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[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Arguably, the list alone, plus the customized police vehicle and police outfit, would be enough premeditation.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 101 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The last major American privacy law, the 1988 Video Privacy Protection Act was passed in 1988 by Reagan. The only reason it happened is that politicians realized that their privacy was affected. Robert Bork was going through his Supreme Court confirmation hearings and someone got a hold of the tapes he had rented and published them.

Politicians were worried about their own personal privacy, so they passed a new law to protect the privacy of people's video tape rentals.

Maybe the fact that the targets here were politicians will mean that something will happen with data privacy, for once.

[–] Geodad@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Probably not.

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[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 99 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

There is no allegedly, the dude was a total boomer and literally wrote out instructions on how to dox someone in his notebook which are shown in the federal complaint against him

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Literally outlines which sites are free, which ones have free trials, etc

Like you you would think he would just use a text document or bookmarks or something

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 day ago

Writing stuff down with pen and paper is an objectively better way to remember things then digital files, also way more secure unless you really, really know what you're doing.

[–] Eagle0110@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well considering he chose to use a pyro-mechanical firearm, instead of things like social/political/legal/economical tools to accomplish his goal, seems to check out lol

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[–] Zenith@lemm.ee 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Idk if I’m planning on murdering someone I’m not keeping it in digital form where who knows who or what is stealing/scraping it or using a back door or whatever. Deleting stuff off a computer can also be difficult with insane things being recovered off computers. I would have zero interest in linking anything illegal to anything digital in this day and age.

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[–] anachrohack@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (3 children)

These sites should be illegal. There is no legitimate use for them

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[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 55 points 1 day ago (4 children)
[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

That'll be on the Internet's headstone.

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 54 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why aren't the data brokers being charged with accessory to murder?

[–] solrize@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If they own houses that is public info.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)

While true, the lookup is the address to the owner, not the other way around. Compiling the information to show querying by person should be illegal.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But did you think about the shareholders

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[–] lemming741@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

My county lets you search property tax records by owner name. It is trivial to find someone.

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[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can find out someone's home address from their email address. These brokers are out of control.

[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (6 children)

My parents started screaming at me when I brought up a preacher killed these democrats. Telling me he was a Liberal. When I showed them his sermons in Africa. Again they double downed and said he was a democrat.

How would you respond to this ignorance? What facts can I show them. If they won’t even believe his own words at a church in Africa?

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 12 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

They are obviously not in a reasoning place. I wouldn't try logic, but they are susceptible to emotional manipulation. That's how they fell for fascist propaganda in the first place. I would go for emotional truth.

You have to judge if you're safe to do this, but the next time they're screaming about their absurd conspiracies, I would get a really sad look on my face, make direct eye contact, shake my head and say, "You're so full of hate, and it's really sad." Just go full sincerity and show them how you see them.

You can even set them up for it. Next time you try telling them some fact that they're going to have this hateful response to, you can have this in your back pocket. You start with a simple fact, they respond with hate, you reply by telling them they're being hateful.

This is a modification of this strategy: https://youtu.be/tZzwO2B9b64

Basically, don't waste time arguing with fascists, just point out that they're being assholes.

Now, I say you need to judge how safe you feel doing this, because you might be surprised how ballistic they go. People stuck in abusive behaviour patterns hate nothing more than having that behaviour simply described to them. But when they do lose their shit, you can just describe it again.

Sometimes they will just short-circuit and try to ignore you, or chastise you for speaking out of turn. The authoritarian personality is deeply connected to authoritarian parenting attitudes. Just persist over time, and maybe they will notice that they can't stop you from reflecting their ugly selves back at them.

I don't know how old you are, how physically big you are, how prone they are to serious outbursts, but again, pay attention to your body and how much you're feeling your flight instinct. Only if you feel safe.

I do this with my parents sometimes. Like if my mum is fussing over my kids in some way that I think is invasive, - this was a sore point in my upbringing, she has no filter and no boundaries - I don't engage on the facts of what she's saying. I don't tell her, "That tiny red spot you've noticed isn't a big problem," because that's also being invasive and speaking on their behalf. I say "People don't like to be scrutinised like that. If that's a real problem they can tell us."

It's honestly astonishing how fast this resolves some situations. That might have been a perennial argument about some fussy detail of my child's appearance, all the time adding to the boundary-crossing scrutiny they experience, but shutting it down by pointing out her behaviour really makes her stop, and it communicates to my kids that they don't have to put up with it. It teaches them that they have autonomy.

It's taken many years of demonstrating to her that I won't be pushed around or intimidated for me to get to this point though. It's not an easy road, and often the way to know the tactic is working is by watching how unpleasant someone gets when you do it, at least at first.

Again: only if you feel safe.

[–] Enceladus@lemmy.ca 11 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Lock Fox news channels with parental control.

[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Sadly they don’t watch the news on TV. They went Qanon from social media and I can’t get to their phones.

[–] Zenith@lemm.ee 5 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

That depends entirely on how sneaky and unscrupulous you’re willing to be lol

Seriously though I’m sorry you’re dealing with this, it’s a shitty place to be. Personally I’ve had friends have some success with anti-cult/anti-brainsashing techniques but even when done under ideal conditions with people in obvious and outright cults it can fail. The human brain really just is wired in such a way cult think can genuinely hijack it

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 8 points 22 hours ago

Stop talking to them

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It's actually really easy to get your info off these sites, as they have to delete it upon your request. Just take 20 minutes, pull up any random Top 20 Background Check Sites list, locate the specific pages with your info, and go to town with those deletion requests. (There should be a link to a deletion form on the page or a link to submit a request via email, at least that's how it was when I did this five years ago.)

[–] Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm not a lawyer, but from my understanding there's actually no legal obligation for them to delete US citizens' data. They generally delete it anyways to avoid creating backlash that would lead to regulation, though.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

It probably depends on the state.

But, I did mine five years ago and still check it periodically. My info's not on Spokeo or any of those scummy sites even all these years later, so it's a good way to spend 20-30 minutes.

[–] Erasmus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I read your post and reply below and am surprised that your info never showed back up online.

I tried this myself about a year ago back when Google first announced they would also add a tool to assist in removal of unnecessary info like this.

I found that I was able to remove about 70% that never came back.

10-15 percent more, whether they were via Google or whatever, would flat out refuse to remove the info for various reasons.

The remainder would often remove it only for me to find it later with some sort of ‘change’ and that being - they put the info back in and had changed the spelling of my last name or now had me listed as a business so as to get around certain privacy listing rules (like WTF).

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[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 16 points 18 hours ago

remember that exactly a month ago trump killed the cfpb rule targetting data brokers.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

SO CAN WE NOW ADMIT SELLING DATA IS BAD?

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 day ago

There was some story about privacy and politicians finally getting off their asses when they learned that their business records at porn shops could be revealed. I think this was in the 80s. Not sure at what level, but probably pretty local, I would guess.

[–] mmmac@lemmy.zip 5 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (4 children)

I've been using a service to automatically opt out of these sites for about a year now. I also don't use my full last name when I buy things online anymore, and use VOIP phone numbers and anonaddy/simplelogub emails.

Can't find myself on google and most data brokers anymore.

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