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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 82 points 1 day ago (3 children)

"They have backed up their genocidal rhetoric with a program to develop nuclear weapons."

Netanyahu's not in the best position to accuse others of genocidal rhetoric backed up with powerful weaponry.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Important to note that it's more than just hypocrisy, it's probably also a complete lie.

https://apnews.com/live/israel-iran-attack#00000197-66c5-d617-a597-7fddbf0e0000

The U.S. intelligence community assesses that Iran is not actively pursuing a nuclear weapon

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The U.S. intelligence community assesses that Iran is not actively pursuing a nuclear weapon

....

UN nuclear watchdog finds Iran in breach of non-proliferation obligations for first time in 20 years

The IAEA flagged that Iran had amassed more near-weapons-grade uranium in its May 31 confidential report.

The report sternly warned Iran was now "the only non-nuclear-weapon state to produce such material" — something the agency said was of "serious concern".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-12/iaea-finds-iran-in-breach-its-nuclear-obligations/105411014

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just like those weapons of mass destruction, way back when in Iraq? I'm shocked, I say, shocked!

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Iran's nuclear program is well documented though.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Their nuclear program is well documented. The allegation that they are imminently capable of producing or deploying a nuclear weapon is not.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago

It's good old Projection: every accusation is an admission.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

No need to change nukes to weaponry, Israel has nukes too.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 44 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Are they running out of people to murder in Gaza? Or do they just need someone to fight back, so they can look oppressed?

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 59 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Neither. Internal politics in Israel threatened to break up the government, and starting a war with Iran was the easiest way to stop that. Can't break up the government now, we're in a state of emergency!

Bibi would sooner burn down all of Israel than step down from power.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yep, exactly this. He'd rather destroy the entire country than lose power, in part because as soon as he loses power he's likely going to prison for the rest of his life.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 10 points 1 day ago

Sounds familiar...

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The moment they stop fighting is the moment they have to collectively come to terms with what they have done as a nation. Netanyahoo has to keep it going.

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Netanyahoo lmao

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The US is obligated by law, to keep sending them weapons in order to maintain a "qualitative military edge" against all potential threats. This unfortunately incentivizes Israel to maintain a high threat level, in order to increase the amount of weapons it receives.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

obligated by law, to keep sending them weapons

Can you expand on that?

There are agreements but to which extent are they binding? I guess they are not unconditional.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Given the interference in Ukraine's military aid that was also required by law passed by Congress, they are only as binding as the government's willingness to be bound. Congress can repeal it, and apparently the President can just ignore it because the points are made up and the rules don't matter.

[–] Airowird@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Welcome to Whose war is it anyway?

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

This explains it in better detail than I could. It isn't so much a single law, but rather a lot of different laws that all work together to ensure that Israel is given everything it could possibly need for its own defense...even bypassing normal regulatory measures in the process, as long as certain conditions are maintained.

Israel has invested tens of millions of dollars lobbying for, and helping to write, the legislation that guarantees their continuous access to weapons. A lot of it is written directly into defense spending bills that are essential for domestic defense spending as well. So, without a massive shift in policy at the legislative level to disentangle those priorities, that support is legally binding.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 1 points 1 day ago

The US is obligated by law,

Yea, that's a law we passed, right? One which we could repeal, too?

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 day ago

Trump started all this shit when he ruined the last nuclear deal in his first term.

He sure is great at fucking everything up, and sowing chaos.

[–] pixelkitty@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wonder if this is what the US missiles redirected from Ukraine went to….

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Lol, but the media keeps saying... "Trump was against this! He was trying to work with Iran "

[–] ProvableGecko@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

There isn't a dearth of missiles. This is just another convenient excuse to weaken Ukraine.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Zionist regime is a rogue state. It threatens the security of mankind.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago

Unfortunately it also has the backing of a much larger rogue state.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Here are the global knock-on effects of Trumpism. The world has been afraid of this for years. And mind you, it's not because the USA is losing its grip, its role of world police. It's because of fucked-up diplomacy dominated by egomania, backing the wrong allies in the wrong way. And being so dumb that you're easily exploitable.

I'm sorry for once again seeing every conflict through USian eyes - Americans do that well enough by themselves - but in this case it's just true. Fuck Trump, Fuck Netanyahu. Let's hope this nightmare ends soon.


From the article:

A U.S. official told CNN that the United States had no involvement or assistance in the Israeli strikes

Um, sure. No involvement at all during the last 8 decades.

And Netanyahu:

"This is a clear and present danger to Israel's very survival. 80 years ago the Jewish people were the victims of a holocaust perpetrated by the Nazi regime. Today, the Jewish state refuses to be a victim of a nuclear holocaust, perpetrated by the Iranian regime."

‌ Of course they stick to that one however nonsensical it has become, considering Israel is the Nazi regime now, inflicting its own holocaust on others.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

“I think it’s been excellent. We gave them a chance and they didn’t take it,” Trump told ABC on Friday morning. “They got hit hard, very hard. They got hit about as hard as you’re going to get hit. And there’s more to come, a lot more.”

This sounds very "not involved"

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

Can't keep himself from bragging even as his PR people try to tone it down.

[–] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Aw.

Did we get too close to getting along again?

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You think Iran, the country that supplies weapons to

[–] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 0 points 22 hours ago

I think I don't like war. Period.

I can realistically understand the reasons given for it, but that's never going to make me like it.

Anyone else shitting themselves about this?

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Is this going to lead to WW3?

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Pretty sure this is WW3. Just more like FFA rather than teams.

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Someone please explain why two middle eastern states trying to annihilate each other is WW3.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't forget Ukraine and Russia. That's why it's more FFA.

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[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Will not, world war cost a lot for the country involved, this might just be another regional war and proxy war combined.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

That's 3 countries and Palestine, which is also a country in my book.

"Defense"

[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Crazy that within just a couple weeks Ukraine and now Israel have successfully smuggled drones into a country. Terrifying new vector of war.

[–] Barberserk@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] ProvableGecko@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Defense contractors will win, we will be poorer and Iranians will be slaughtered by the millions.

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They don’t stand a chance.

[–] Barberserk@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What will the USA and Israel do? Bomb them to death and? Invade? Without an army in the ground you can't really win. Which of their lackeys can they send, the turks? The saudis? Good luck with that.

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