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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 83 points 1 day ago (3 children)

"They have backed up their genocidal rhetoric with a program to develop nuclear weapons."

Netanyahu's not in the best position to accuse others of genocidal rhetoric backed up with powerful weaponry.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Important to note that it's more than just hypocrisy, it's probably also a complete lie.

https://apnews.com/live/israel-iran-attack#00000197-66c5-d617-a597-7fddbf0e0000

The U.S. intelligence community assesses that Iran is not actively pursuing a nuclear weapon

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The U.S. intelligence community assesses that Iran is not actively pursuing a nuclear weapon

....

UN nuclear watchdog finds Iran in breach of non-proliferation obligations for first time in 20 years

The IAEA flagged that Iran had amassed more near-weapons-grade uranium in its May 31 confidential report.

The report sternly warned Iran was now "the only non-nuclear-weapon state to produce such material" — something the agency said was of "serious concern".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-12/iaea-finds-iran-in-breach-its-nuclear-obligations/105411014

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just like those weapons of mass destruction, way back when in Iraq? I'm shocked, I say, shocked!

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Iran's nuclear program is well documented though.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Their nuclear program is well documented. The allegation that they are imminently capable of producing or deploying a nuclear weapon is not.

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee -5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don’t think that allegation has been made, just that they have began the process of building a bomb.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They are claiming self defense in part due to Iran's nuclear weapons program. The implication being that there is an immediate threat.

First, [the Israeli official] alleged that the Iranian government is advancing a “secret program” to develop nuclear weapons. The U.S. intelligence community assesses that Iran is not actively pursuing a nuclear weapon. Secondly, the Israeli official said, Iran has thousands of ballistic missiles. Finally, he said Iran has been distributing weapons and arms to proxy groups across the region, like Hezbollah and Hamas.

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don’t think that allegation is completely implausible. Although it will probably be impossible to independently verify for a number of years.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As you said, the nuclear program is well documented. The very recent closure to UN inspections is a major concern, but it does not indicate some unknown breakthrough.

Israel literally informed the US prior to the strikes. Israeli intelligence and American intelligence is deeply intertwined. Israel struck known enrichment sites and headquarters in the capital city.

If they had identified and targetted an illegal development black site, they would have every reason to verify it themselves. They have not.

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What do you mean by breakthrough? Iran has had the means and technology to enrich uranium for years. When they ended international transparency to their programs that already was a major red flag.

Edit: One likely culprit was the IAEA report that went public a bit earlier this week - https://www.npr.org/2025/06/12/nx-s1-5431395/iran-nuclear-enrichment-un-compliance

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

An Israeli official told the Post: "We presented the American administration with evidence of Iran's breakthrough toward a nuclear bomb. There was full and complete coordination with the Americans."

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-857590

Important to note - again - that they have not disclosed this alleged breakthrough to the public.

Also important to note that this strike happened a day after the Israeli parliament nearly dissolved - specifically, they remained solvent because they codified an exemption for the Ultra-Orthodox from the military draft.

Almost as if they want to use the attack to solidify the war machine and distract their citizens from the fact the most conservative among them do not have to risk their lives in "defense" like the other 87% of the country.

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 0 points 1 day ago

So why did Iran shut the door to independent IAEA oversight if there’s nothing suspicious going on?

Not disputing the points you’re raising regarding Israel since they are obviously not to be trusted as well, but neither is Iran. I guess my "point" here is that there’s not really a good guy in this fight, both countries are run by religious extremist madmen.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago

It's good old Projection: every accusation is an admission.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

No need to change nukes to weaponry, Israel has nukes too.