My head canon is that instead of monetary rewards for doing important or dangerous work, you get more land to use. That would mean trashmen, farmers, nurses, and starship crew would have huge palaces and ceos would live in a shoebox. Picard gets double sized because he's a captain and a farmer. Same with Boimler.
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I rather thought that there were no “palaces” and no “shoeboxes“, but still a varied range of accommodations that are a mix between inheritance and state ownership where they lend it to an individual or our family.
There’s a very good reason why most sci-fi series that espouse a futuristic socialistic utopian future never really get into the details. Because we, today, haven’t figured that shit out yet.
If you had teleportation available for transport, wouldn't you move into the middle of nowhere?
After vetting local flora and fauna.
Dinner! (For a ~~month~~ year!)
Just buffer the leftovers.
Have you seen/read MurderBot ?
Something to look into, I suppose.
My guess is that in post scarcity societies, a cabin in a remote location far from everyone is the easiest thing to get. There's plenty of empty land all over the world.
City centre on the other hand, apartments might be small with a waiting list.
The entirety of the Maquis rebellion, explained in light pollution maps
About the only way the apartments the cast from Friends live in could make sense.
This begs the question: who gets the beachfront property on Star Trek Earth?
The Commodore
Man this episode makes me cringe. Although the follow-up is arguably worse, with Geordi getting all indignant that someone would be upset at him dating a holographic deepfake of them. Is it so hard to write someone being socially awkward without making them a total creep?
Aww but he wasn't a creep, he was just genuinely really bad at understanding women and communication in a relationship. Shit, Data got more action.
Laforge : I just don't get it, Guinan. I can field-strip a fusion reactor; I can realign a power transfer tunnel. Why can't I make anything work with a woman like Christy? It's like... I don't know what to do. I don't know what to say.
Guinan : You're doing fine with me.
Laforge : You're different.
Guinan : No, you're different.
Laforge : But I'm not trying now.
Guinan : That's my point.
See, that's fine. If he had taken Guinan's advice to heart and been himself with an actual woman, great! Hell, even if he'd gone with a holodeck character that was fictional or dead, fine! Date Marie Curie for all I care. But dating an "idealized" virtual copy of a fellow Starfleet officer is super creepy.
Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think Geordi's a creep. I just think the writers made him a creep for those two episodes, which is what bothers me.
I think he was more himself on that holodeck than he's ever been with a real woman, but I'm not sure that helps my case that he's not a creep 😆
Nah that's fine. It's good he found an outlet, dating on the holodeck itself isn't a problem. Even if he'd had one of Quark's holosmut programs, it might raise some eyebrows on a starship, but it would ultimately be harmless fun. It was his choice of companion that was creepy, same as Barkley when he had a Troi program.
The answer, whomever wants it. Since most everyone has easy access to anywhere they want to go and anything they want to do, things we consider luxuries are trivial pass times.
And what if there's more demand than supply?
We even know Sisko was planning on building a cabin in the woods on Bajor over looking some river. He bought land sometime in the later seasons.
in a post scarcity society with industrial scale matter replication and matter/antimatter power sources—why the hell not? I’m sure anyone could have one if they asked.
When you control large portions of the galaxy handing out land is like handing out stock before an IPO
Doesn’t everyone want a cabin in the woods?
Sure, but not the one run by these guys:
I found their revised black board:
Of course. Who else would bet on the wraiths vs some dumb college kids?
He doesn't fear the Wraith. Now clowns, that's another story. They scare the crap out of him.
I would also have accepted O'Brien under wraiths, so long as it's possessing Keiko.
O'Brien already called his. He took "The Bride"
Post Scarcity Society have a cabin in the wood for everyone
Honestly with replicators and the amount of forest that grows naturally on Earth, we could have a lot of people do this.
Think about how much land area is currently used for growing crops. If the remaining farms are small vanity/tourist places like Picard's, then millions of acres on the planet would be rewilded.
Having a cabin in the woods could be quite common.
It’s my belief that Starfleet still pays their officers, but that since they spend so much time on missions, they have fewer opportunities to spend the money. And by the time they become captains, they’ve probably saved up quite the nest egg.
How do you think Sisko afforded that land on Bajor? Though, being Emissary might have afforded him free or deeply discounted land.
Bargain, for sure. I wonder what Kasidy's doing with that plot these days. Let's check in...
DS9 is probably the closest we got to really investigating federation economics. At some point Sisko warns Quark that if he stops being on the Federation's good side, hell make him start paying for rent and utilities again. So they have some concept of converting "time and effort" into "credit". The star fleet officers all have latinum to spend at Quarks, and Quark complains on several occasions that business gets slow when Starfleet stops visiting his bar, so he's definitely getting paid.
My assumption is that officers are given an allowance or extended credit for interactions with other cultures, and that allowance/credit is either a higher number or simply "more lax" the higher rank you are. Want to "expense" a holosuite visit at Quarks with Starfleet, you'll have to explain yourself less the higher rank you are. Kind of like "unlimited PTO" at big tech companies.
Like, an ensign might request a cabin in the woods from the cabin logistics department, but they'll be in line behind all the captains, whereas an admiral would be able to jump the line.
This question came up a lot in DaystromInstitute.
The general headcanon is that rent, access to the stations grid and crew for maintenance is credited at fair market value for officers to use at Quarks. Plus having a steady stream of Starfleet or Bajoran officers there would deter general crime and ruckus, much like why gas stations tend to offer free coffee for cops.
Maybe because as a captain they spend so much time in a starship that they have need to live in a large open land with a wood/stone cabin.
Like with developers, we end up looking for hobbies that doesn’t involve technology.
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Isn't the Kirk image from Kirk Heaven?
Also, he achieved the rank of admiral prior to this scene, and self-demoted. So, I mean, Kirk, at least, makes some sense. He also had the smallest, most reasonably sized, cabin.
This is a shot from the Nexus, but the cabin itself he did previously inhabit. He describes in hilarious ADHD manner various memories as Picard tries to reign him in.
he wasn’t self demoted, he was demoted to the rank of captain as punishment for stealing and then losing the enterprise, but got a dispensation for saving Earth from the chatty whale probe.
technically Kirk didn't have a cabin - that kitchen was some kind of construct within the Nexus wave he got swept up in. If he'd had a cabin he and the boys probably would have gone there in The Final Frontier instead of camping outdoors. But it's a good question about the economics of the post-scarcity Federation, where everybody seems to take housing for granted. Who gets apartments and who gets chateaus?
Kirk had specific memories he was reliving, so at some point before or after FF he had the cabin. Also continuity is something of a myth in Trek.
Likely, one has the option to live to their level of comfort. Though, larger city living would generally be on the smaller side. There's probably also restrictions on how large/opulent a home can be based on number of occupants.
I mean post scarcity means post scarcity. So anyone who wants a chateau gets one. Most people I don’t think would actually want one though. It means being more isolated, maybe one a newly habitable planet.
Personally I wouldn’t want or need one. Give me a truly for real actually sound isolated large apartment in a great location and I would be happy.
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