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1. These are often for extracurricular things like school trips.

2. Schools are underfunded.

One of the major factors to consider here is that public schools in the US are not equally funded by number of students. Instead, most of the funding is provided by state and local property taxes, meaning that richer areas where houses are worth a lot more, get much better funding for their schools. So while those rich areas' school funding is probably much higher than the global median, the poorer areas' school funding is likely much lower, in a very high cost of living country in general.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_school_funding_in_the_United_States#State_and_local_role_in_education_funding

The other factor to also consider is that public schools in the US have fairly extensive athletic programs, meaning that they spend a lot of the funds to build and maintain things like American Football ~~stadiums~~ fields, swimming pools, etc., as opposed to only funding actual academic education.

Edit, I've retracted the link about teacher vs coach salaries because it's about College sports, not primary and secondary schools. I still haven't found a good source for this info regarding those.

PS: Aside from fundraisers, it's fairly common to hear teachers telling stories of having to spend their own money to buy supplies for their classes.

PPS: It's also common to hear stories of poor families doing everything they can to move to richer areas just so their kids can benefit from the much better-funded schools. I've even heard of situations where they will register their kids with the address of a relative who lives in a better-funded area, for the same reason.

I've been in PTA fights over this and yelled at superintendents in multiple school district meetings now. The real answer of where the money is going? Contractors.

Everything is done by contractors now because it's easy to sever and it allows organizations to focus on one thing they're good at. Do you need janitorial staff or do you need to keep things clean? Well the answer is you need to keep things clean - so how? Just pay the contractors because the school board got bribed. Sure, it turns out the contractors cost 3x the cost of a dedicated janitorial staff in the long run, but they were quicker to set up and the board wanted a turnkey solution.

That's the approach that every school board uses to answer that question. Need X - ok well we don't want to hire anyone because that makes people mad about how we use money... so we'll spend MORE money on Y over the long run for something that will be a permanently reoccurring cost. Anyone go to a school cafeteria recently? Did you get food served on disposable styrofoam treys or were you given a melamine tray and plate with reusable utensils? Just kidding I know the answer to that already. Do we provide school supplies to students at the district level? No, every man for themselves go to walmart and pay $60 for school supplies for each child with all the markup instead of letting the district buy them by the pallet and distribute at the cost of wholesale for 15% the total price of everyone wastefully purchasing their own.

Don't forget that school boards are notoriously easy to corrupt. Usually it's something relatively benign like a board member has a family member that owns a company that does contract work and they were recommended to the rest of the board. But often it is outright bribes.

But this short sighted view of how to run things is making everything expensive in America. Everything has ten fucking middlemen between you and what you want. And they're all goddamn contractors now. Cheap in the immediate but far more expensive over time. Why? Because we aren't allowed to have honest conversations about government expenses anymore. We aren't allowed to ask for real services for our children because of the short term demands of the bottom line. And when we do open up those conversations, the calculus shows the quarterly expense of hiring a permanent employee is more than maintaining the contract even though that employee is cheaper at the 5 year mark. We aren't allowed to dig ourselves out once we're stuck in the pit bought by contracts.

Edit: To expand on the list of contractors that now handle (BADLY) the same work done by roles that were traditionally employees who gave a shit and were held to a standard of care and duty:

• Cafeteria food preparation (dont even get me started on the quality and cost of aramark ~~dog~~ ~~prison~~ cafeteria food)
• Cafeteria cleanup
• Bathroom sanitation
• Basic plumbing like unclogging fucking toilets
• landscaping
• replacing lightbulbs (!)
• basic IT services

I've heard rumblings of replacing:

• student counselors
• school nurse
• bus drivers
• HR

About the only jobs safe are the principals and teachers and the football coach and that is only true while unions exist.

Textbooks are a racket and not just for college students.

Most of the money spent on education involves grifts for stuff like that, not for actual important shit like schools or teachers.

PSA, whenever someone asks you to buy something for a fundraiser just donate instead. Especially if you don't want what they're selling. They'll get 100% of that instead of like... I honestly don't even know, but it can't be more than 25%.

Comparing things like this between countries is not straightforward. For example, Australia spends $14.1k per student while New Zealand spends $8.6k. That's about 5.2% of GDP for both countries. From those numbers, would we conclude that Australia is overpaying, or New Zealand is underpaying, or that the two countries are comparable?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/education-spending-by-country

This is a good question. I live in the USA and most fundraisers are for clubs, sports, and extracurricular activities. But we spend so much $ for our kids schooling, and I believe in other countries like Japan the school will actually give clubs money to spend on supplies, so they don't need to do this. Why are our schools so expensive and give so little back to the students?

Also our teachers are underpaid for the work they do. So are the support staff. Cleaners, IT, all underpaid.

Do you know who isn't underpaid? The administrators. Our schools have district offices with lots of overpaid administrators. I work in IT at a school and I make the same as the cleaners do. I can't afford a car, and live in a trailer park. During the last round of contract negotiations, the superintendent negotiated a 7% annual raise on top of his already six-figure salary. My group? We got 2.5% which was less than inflation. It was during COVID and inflation was about 7%.

Where is all the money going? Look at the district offices. We have a problem with corruption in this country. Everyone wants to be a feudal lord and rule over the serfs. All our money is going to create and prop up an aristocracy, which has so far managed to hide itself from public view. We need to shed light on the aristocrats.

In my experience the outfits target schools to exploit the children's relationships and free labor with family. We are talking incredibly low quality junk you cannot find at stores or really even online.

At my school the goal was to sell like $1000 worth a crap to get a limo ride to a local restaurant.

6,7,8 year old etc do not have a value of wealth. "Oh daddy/mommy/grandpa, I really really want the limo ride" etc.

There's no legitimate reason for such a thing to exist other than pure exploitation. After experiencing that I would demand to opt out for my children.

Not American, and I have no factual answer but I assume it's because the people at the top just take all the money and leave the schools to fend for themselves. Typical corporate nonsense.

It encourages then to develop that grindset early.

The real issue is these funds aren’t evenly distributed per student, school districts are funded by property tax which leads to poorer neighborhoods getting considerably less funding.

the median state spent $64,865 per prisoner for the year.

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Looking at the global median isn't a good comparison, for starters. Many of those school systems aren't comparable.

That said, there's not likely to be one reason. I could guess at them, but I'd rather not since some will inevitably be wrong.

Global median include countries that might not hold school in a dedicated building, for starters. Also shit just costs more here in general.

Those fundraisers.are usually for extra stuff, too. Big Field trips or events.

most of the funding for public goes into administration, and whats left is for the "schools themselves" which is usually not much, and many schools remain underfunded for generations.

Likely a similar reason that the us spends more per capita then just about anyone else on healthcare but get some of the worst results, pure greed and corruption.

Have to teach kids to beg for the bare essentials early in life. That way they'll never know it could be different.

Not the only reason, but the cost of living is higher in the U.S. than most other locales on the planet.

Others may have different experiences, but AFAIK schools tend to be funded by the property taxes in their district. Combined with rampant, unchecked, failed desegreation, and you have some schools that are swimming in cash while everyone else begs to close that gap.

How is that 15k statistic calculated? Sounds questionable. Do you have a source? Does that include social spending like the dedication of parents time and personal expenses such as in South Korea? Is that government spending? Are fundraisers only a USA thing?

Because the money goes to do-nothing administrators' salaries, as well as urgent purchases as a result of bad or zero planning

All you have to do is look at how much of the collected money actually guess to the school then ask what happens to the rest. That's why.

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Because capitalism!

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Because they're already spending $15/student on basics. Anything extra isn't covered. The problem isn't that they're being over-funded...it's that they're under-funded.

Because you are measuring against the global median while not adjusting for purchasing power parity. American costs are going to be far higher than the global median.

Generally, it is seen that American primary and secondary schools are underfunded.

Well I'd reckon that that 15k is an average. Rich kid schools don't need fundraising but poor districts do. Oh yeah and the funding for schools comes from local districts so if you live in a rich neighborhood your school is way more funded than if you live in the poor areas, which is why people are obsessed with that info if they have kids and want to move.

Also not all departments get the same funding. The football team gets a lot of the budget but the arts get scraps at best. So even if you're in an ok school, because of how they spend the money, specific classes might need help.

Why the football team? The games bring in money, people donate because of the local team, and the odd lottery that one of those kids becomes a professional and might help out in the future.

School Districts are the final frontier of the wide spread corruption within the US system.

Think government contracting but way more corrupt because they don't even need to really deliver anything to any standard because who fucking cares it is kids!

Big tech contracts for software that spies on kids

Prison companies supplying lunches

Needless athletic facilities at suburban schools.

Compensation for brain dead consultants.

Idiotic over priced books which are now mostly digital and demand license per student

This is where the money is going, it is not going to to teacher comp, it is not going for students to have good experience.

it's the second definition