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[–] DeusUmbra@lemmy.world 138 points 1 day ago (16 children)

This is actually how Russians do their propaganda. NATO is weak but also the greatest threat to our nation. Sending Abrams to Ukraine is pointless as they are useless tanks and Ukraine has already lost, but also sending Abrams is crossing a line and a declaration of war.

Gee, wonder where Trump learned it from?

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 73 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the followers [of fascism] must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Fascist governments are condemned to lose wars because they are constitutionally incapable of objectively evaluating the force of the enemy.
-- Umberto Eco, Ur-Fascism https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 24 points 1 day ago

The loser's flag, the confederate's is flown today in my neighborhood, and they are determined to make us all losers.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 1 day ago

Gee, wonder where Trump learned it from?

It's Fascism 101.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 19 points 1 day ago

Zelenskyy is simultaneously a puppet of The West™ and a wizard mind controlling EU and US

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You don’t need to learn it from anywhere. Look at the stereotype of cats who love affection when they want it even if you’re busy but who get mad when you initiate when all they’re doing is lying there. All these people have really “done” is not grow out of being whiny, bitch-ass toddlers. They’re just deeply insecure, immature assholes with zero compassion or self-awareness.

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

You just described my ex. I’ve never known a cat to be that shitty to me though.

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[–] doug@lemmy.today 65 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Schrödinger’s Election: it’s rigged unless we win.

[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

It was rigged but ALSO we won.

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[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 63 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Umberto Eco (a survivor of Mussolini’s actual regime) identified this as one of the core traits of Ur-Fascism. Specifically, #8…

The followers must feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies.… However, the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.

You will note that Republicans check literally every single box of Umberto Eco’s list.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism

[–] lowered_lifted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I am always glad when people share this because whenever I bring it up IRL it seems like nobody else has read it.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

We are outnumbered, as usual.

[–] epicstove@lemmy.ca 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

But we also outnumber THEM!

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 10 points 13 hours ago

That was my same thought. The enemy is too strong but also too weak?

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[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Schrodinger's immigrant: they're both lazy moochers and taking all our jobs.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago

Schrodinger's immigrant for the Trump era: they're all criminals and have no criminal records... clearly because they're such good criminals.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 45 points 1 day ago

Schrodinger's energy crisis:

We need to sell public lands for oil extraction since we have an energy crisis!

We need to cancel wind energy and solar facility construction!

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 41 points 1 day ago (3 children)

True story. Back in 2008 there were two op-ed pieces on the smae page of the Murdoch owned New York Post.

One said that voting for Obama was a waste of time, because he was a centrist neoliberal who'd only serve up milder versions of GOP programs, so you'd be better off with an actual Republican.

The other screamed that he was a radical Socialist who would destroy America.

Same newspaper, same page, no irony

[–] jve@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Isn’t this what the opinion page is for?

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago

Not only is it what Op Eds are for, it's also extremely common practice to have two contrasting views on the same page to give voice to a variety of different opinions.

Complaining about two Op Eds on the same page with different opinions is like complaining that a dictionary has two definitions of two different words on the same page.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Brace yourself for all the “gotcha!” comments from enlightened centrists that don’t understand the core concept of controlled opposition or propaganda.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People nitpicking on the internet?

Un-possible!

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Theres nitpicking, and theres just disingenuous horse shit from centrists telling you that ummm actually both sides are the same.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Are you unfamiliar with the concept of an Op Ed?

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[–] Benign@fedia.io 36 points 1 day ago

Classic fascist doublethink. Straight out of the book. The enemy is both strong/dangerous enough to be a serious threat, but the fascist is still somehow very superior to them. 🤷

[–] fsr1967@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Schrodinger's tariffs: they're great, except when they hurt my small business.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

That's just basic cruelty. "Hurting other people is great"

[–] sasquash@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 day ago

Schrödingers free speech: You can tweet everything unless it's against Muskrats opinion.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Schrödinger’s Democracy: We The People, unless I disagree with those people.

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[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Is Doublethink a more adequate term?

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[–] 60d@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago

Schrodinger's Canada: we don't need anything from them, but we'd love to own them anyway.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Their military excuse is actually that a person who switches gender can’t be honest and committed, which is just as crazy, it still has that view that people “choose” to be trans and by choosing to be trans they should a lack of commitment to their birth gender i guess??

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 6 points 1 day ago

You swore an oath when you signed that birth certificate! "I swear to uphold my assigned gender and to maintain my proper genital configuration until death!" It's right there on the document, you can't fool us with this whole "I was literally minutes old, I didn't sign anything! That's not even a thing!" That's just what a Communist oath breaker would say!

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's why I'm appalled this is even a discussion, they aren't even pretending to have a valid military or medical excuse, they just jumped straight to "Group is bad because I don't like them."

I lived through post 9/11 bullshit and how they wanted to ban Muslims from the military, all the open racism and rhetoric. Same shit different day and target, it’s a right wing pattern they always follow

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Err does anyone on the right actually think we have secure borders?

Like wasn't "securing the borders" part of Trump's pitch? As in "there's an invasion taking place and we need to secure the borders"?

The trans one is spot on though

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

To be fair, they have a problem with trans women in women's sports. They don't have a problem with trans men in men's sports because they can't imagine a situation where a trans man could possibly compete with "real" men.

It goes along with their idea that women are weak, so women are weak athletes and women's sports teams are weak. If you accept that, it's not a big stretch to think that someone who has gone through puberty as a male will have an automatic huge advantage in every women's sport because their body has male characteristics.

On the other hand to them, the military is the ultimate in manly activities. Anybody other than a pure, manly man will be at a disadvantage in anything military. That includes trans men, trans women and regular women. Right now the focus is on trans people, but I'm sure they'll want to kick women out of the military too eventually.

So, if you accept that logic, it makes sense that trans women are too weak for the military, but too strong for women's sports. There's no contradiction there.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (5 children)

To be fair

Who are you being fair to?

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[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

doublespeak fr

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