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[–] DeusUmbra@lemmy.world 138 points 1 day ago (7 children)

This is actually how Russians do their propaganda. NATO is weak but also the greatest threat to our nation. Sending Abrams to Ukraine is pointless as they are useless tanks and Ukraine has already lost, but also sending Abrams is crossing a line and a declaration of war.

Gee, wonder where Trump learned it from?

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 73 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the followers [of fascism] must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Fascist governments are condemned to lose wars because they are constitutionally incapable of objectively evaluating the force of the enemy.
-- Umberto Eco, Ur-Fascism https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 24 points 1 day ago

The loser's flag, the confederate's is flown today in my neighborhood, and they are determined to make us all losers.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 1 day ago

Gee, wonder where Trump learned it from?

It's Fascism 101.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 19 points 1 day ago

Zelenskyy is simultaneously a puppet of The West™ and a wizard mind controlling EU and US

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You don’t need to learn it from anywhere. Look at the stereotype of cats who love affection when they want it even if you’re busy but who get mad when you initiate when all they’re doing is lying there. All these people have really “done” is not grow out of being whiny, bitch-ass toddlers. They’re just deeply insecure, immature assholes with zero compassion or self-awareness.

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

You just described my ex. I’ve never known a cat to be that shitty to me though.

[–] sowitzer@lemm.ee 2 points 13 hours ago

While simultaneously having compassion and empathy for billionaire fascist. lol.

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev -2 points 1 day ago

The greatest threat to a nation being weak technically isnt a contradiction. If all your enemies are weak, even the most powerful is weak

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And how NATO does propaganda against both Russia and China.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Oh? Can you give an example? Because I've mostly seen official channels take Russia very seriously

[–] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

To stealman it, I'd say it's in how China has a large navy that's also incapable, or has extensive R&D that copies the west's homework and only makes cheap parts. Russia is both incapable of taking on Ukraine and justifies the need for much greater EU military expenditure.

There's some nuance to this. China's navy is large, but it's mostly built as a green water navy (close to their shores), and not a blue water navy. Russia can't take Ukraine, but it's because both the EU and US have been feeding them, and US support is drying up.

China's R&D, however, is something I think we should take more seriously. They've done most of the practical applications of new battery tech and have spun up an EV industry from scratch.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

To stealman it

Is that when you steal your talking points from someone else?

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

I mean, these arguments really only work if you disregard that NAFO isn't NATO.

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Taken very seriously while it's economy is in shambles and it's military is depleted to the point of relying on Soviet era relics?

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why can't both of those be true? Should Europe ignore Russia until they CAN march into Amsterdam? There are far too many corpses in Ukraine not to take them seriously, regardless of economics.

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

Is your face okay after walking into the point that hard and not seeing it?

[–] DeusUmbra@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Nukes are still Nukes, regardless of the economy behind them.