I don't know how you can work for these companies and sleep at night, especially at the executive levels. Utter psychopathy.
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I was listening to the Acquired episode on Epic and they touch on the severe cost overruns in our healthcare system. They make a point to share that hospitals aren't the ones making a killing. It's insurance companies.
They make a compelling argument that if you add up the total that you pay to insurance, taking into account what your employer pays, there's no way you get that much value out of your health insurance annually.
It's a metaphorical gun to the head. It's not designed to help. The purpose of the system is what it does.
Oh man, epic is such complicated garbage that even with a company brought in to set it up, the center I worked at during the rollout was a fucking mess. I left 14-18 months after initial deployment and they were still ironing bugs out, and I heard they rolled back within a year or so of leaving. Also, it's almost hilarious how often I hear nurses bitching about using epic just when I have to go in for anything, and none of them are related to the place I worked.
Last I heard UnitedHealthcare was denying claims with an AI -- https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/11/ai-with-90-error-rate-forces-elderly-out-of-rehab-nursing-homes-suit-claims/
Abstraction. They don't even see individual numbers of denied claims, they see a percentage, a percentage of chance and other KPI. For they, there's no people being affected by the denials, only indicators.
One of them is taking a dirt nap
Only one, though.
So far..
Literally nobody in their social circles holds them accountable for what they're a part of.
It's like ignoring your friends are part of the Nazi Regime because they're "just doing it for the money."
Thank you for the opening, I have a very true story to tell about that very subject.
I met my wife on vacation in the 90's, and after a few long distance months, she decided to move to where I lived. As a trained, experienced secretary from NYC, she used her own tried-and-true method of getting a job - she signed up with a good temp agency, and worked a series of temp jobs until she found a job where she fit in, hoping they would want to keep her.
She went through a series of bad employers, until she ended up working a temp job with the state's biggest healthcare company. She sat outside the office of a corporate lawyer whose sole job was to look through the files of people with the most expensive treatments, and find some excuse, any excuse, to cancel them, no matter how flimsy. Usually it was some pre-existing condition, like allergies. For example, if someone was getting expensive cancer treatments, this lawyer would find some evidence that they knew they had allergies when they got their insurance, and the lawyer would cancel their insurance based on that small unrelated issue. People who had paid premiums for years, were cancelled at the very moment they needed their insurance the most. They also didn't refund the thousands of dollars they'd paid in premiums, they kept it all, despite refusing to provid the service that had been paid for. Her refusal of treatment DEFINITELY led to the deaths of people, and this lawyer was nothing short of a Corporate Serial Killer.
My wife worked the job for three months, becoming increasingly uncomfortable and unhappy as she realized what she was assisting this Corporate Serial Killer in doing (and so did I), and was planning on having the temp agency find a a new position for her.
Before she was able to do that, she came home and told me "They offered me the job." It was a good opportunity, with better pay and good benefits. Normally, it would be time to celebrate, but she was clearly heavily conflicted. I asked what wanted to do, and she reluctantly said she was going to take the job, because we needed the money.
I told her we didn't need the money that bad, that it wasn't worth destroying her soul over (we aren't religious, I meant it in a more metaphorical way). I had already been concerned about the psychological toll the job had been taking, so I also told her that she was never going back there, and to call the temp agency tomorrow for a new position. Let them tell the company that she was never going back. We'd get by for a while longer, until something better came along.
I still remember her look of relief when I told her that I didn't expect her to work that soul-sucking job any lomger. She got a new temp job that developed into a permanent position that she held for years.
Years later, when Sarah Palin started talking about "death panels" associated with Obabacare, my wife said "Death Panels already exist at healh care companies, I personally worked for that company's one-woman death panel."
I know personally how psychopathic these health care companies are, and they should be run out of business for their fraudulent practices. They are Serial Killer Corporations, murdering people for profit. We need to put health care in the hands of an entity without a profit motive, and the only thing like that is the government. I was already thinking along the lines of Universal Health Care before my wife's experience cemented my firm belief in it.
My wife's experience is why I support Luigi 100%, even though he is totally innocent of all charges.
I assume the DOJ will pursue the death penalty for the claims adjuster.
Don't kill people with guns. Kill people with paperwork. Most effective serial murder in the world. We know their motives, MO, and exactly where they live, but nobody will prosecute them.
I'm told the best way to kill someone and get away with it is to hit them with your car. Not, like, drive into a crowd of people, but like nail them when they're crossing the street or walking near the side of the road. Especially if they're walking or on a bike. You can just say you didn't see them or whatever, and our car-focused culture will be like "yeah ok that happens."
So hypothetically if any healthcare CEOs are out jogging in their suburbs, someone could run them over and maybe not even be charged with a crime.
Might be right, but remember that the families of healthcare CEOs can find a good lawyer to sue your ass for wrongful death.
Probably better than getting the death penalty for allegedly shooting the CEO dead, but yeah there's no risk-free way of getting rid of the the worst sorts of people.
No, the judge just gets another Caribbean vacation.
One Luigi wasn't enough, i see.
Reminds me of a scene in Fight Club when Robert Paulson accidentally becomes a martyr. The crew partially took his death as, "we are all Robert Paulson," we are all this martyr.
There is a nation of Luigis, and it's everyone. Everyone just has to stop waiting to die. It need not be violent or deadly, either. One way would be merely: Everyone just has to stop. Doing everything. At the same time.
Probably a good time would be around when the supply chains completely collapse in 10 or so days from now.
Hol up I'm OOTL why are supply chains collapsing in 10 days or so
Because it takes 3 weeks for cargo ships to arrive in California from China. Trump announced his tarrifs 3 weeks ago, so imported items are about to drop off
People need to get off the consumer bandwagon in order for this to happen.
Whenever we're on the brink of radical change, all it takes is a new hollywood movie to come out to distract everyone.
Another manslaughter for a US health insurance scheme's tally.
Always remember: it's only terrorism if poor people do it.
Oligarchs vs their Consumers. Both now killing each other openly. The opening of true class warfare.
"‘You have not tried all lower levels of care available in your area. You can learn to control your behaviors and stay at home. You can learn coping skills in your home. Your family can support you as you get treatment.’”
100% I believe they sent this to family... If addictions were so easy to manage we wouldn't have all these addiction programs
It's what Healthcare CEOs call Durable Savings.
The family premiums won't go down with one less child, but costs are saved.
Win-win for shareholders!
Following the killing of Brian Thompson, Tim Noel replaced him as the CEO of UnitedHealthcare. Noel had previously served as the CEO of UnitedHealthcare's Medicare & Retirement unit. The announcement came after Thompson was fatally shot in December.
Who's Tim Noel? The new CEO of UnitedHealthcare.
UnitedDeathcare
I wonder if they’ve appointed a new CEO yet.
They appointed a new one (a Tim Noel) back in late January.
DENY
They need to stop murdering people.
This is clearly a case of terrorism and we need to send a message that we will not negotiate with terrorists. Give the current CEO the death penalty.
my wife just went to help her estranged mother come home from the nursing home the hospital had put her in after her surgery. she said they tried to get her to sign her entire life away to united healthcare before releasing her, and probably would have if she hadn't been there to stop it.
they wanted to milk her for everything they could, racking up massive medical bills by keeping her there, and then have her sign her life and possessions over to UHC to recoup expenses. when my wife took her home they said it was against medical advice, which allows them to deny coverage for the bills she incurred.
fucking vultures. free luigi.
Another death their CEO is responsible for.
My insurer just announced that the addiction counseling service that used to be provided for free to members is going away. Is addiction no longer a medical issue?
Every story like this makes Luigi a bigger Hero.
Are they going to be arrested and stand trial next to Luigi? No right? Yeah, totally fair and balanced government we have here. Fucking psychos.
While not the point of this thread, just wanted to note for anyone struggling, themselves or someone they care about, there are lots of resources for addiction out there. Many of them free.
A treatment center can be a safe place to get clean and gain some knowledge, but it is a lifelong struggle for most who have addiction issues. Going into a treatment center does not “cure” most.
Please seek out help, even if you do not have insurance or are unable to go to a treatment center.