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[–] Erasmus@lemmy.world 162 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Real Democrats need to ditch the establishment Dems and form their own version of MAGA from within and get shit done.

I saw yesterday where they were going to sideline David Hogg because he was becoming a little too dangerous to some of the members of the ‘Do Nothing’ party.

What a waste.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 109 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you watch the Bernie/AOC rally vids, that is what he’s trying to inspire. One vid has a nurse from the crowd talking about working 7 days a week, to live, and she frankly says the old people need to retire, calling out both Pelosi and Schumer. She’s right. Conservatives also attending.

Younger people need to compete with and oust the established Dems, like AOC did in her district, or we will never see a fresh approach.

[–] jimjam5@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If we still have elections in the upcoming years, it would be fantastic for people like AOC to run for public office all around the nation.

In fact if you are in a position to, I would encourage everyone reading this to take a moment to look up your state’s candidate filing procedures and see how you can try taking an official’s job that they’re not doing. Just because you may not have the millions in funding doesn’t mean you can’t or won’t have a shot at winning.

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yeah Hogg was dropping some good shit last week. That got him in trouble. Now they want him to shut up.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 1 day ago

Just like when waltz was popular he got sidelined/muzzled and anything that polled well for the Kamala campaign got dropped.

Almost like there's a pattern

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[–] ModestCrab@lemmy.wtf 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Meanwhile everybody is complaining about how dumb Meidas Touch is. Excuse me, are we not even going to bother copying Fox News feeding talking points to people with a pulse?

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[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 94 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not so sure they even want that at all. Simply because of their shameful behavior, while the US president acts like a goddamn Nazi (because he obviously is one, of course).

But for all that, the Democrats have refused to allow even a little progressiveness in their ranks for years, against the wishes of their own voters.

But hey, I don't know very much about all this because I'm from Germany.

All I can say is that in our country - and this applies to larger parts Europe - Sanders, for example, would be a moderate center-left politician. What he is calling for is not at all radical in many parts of the world, but rather quite normal. Basic decency, so to speak...

[–] themadcodger@kbin.earth 47 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yup. The Democratic party is the Republican party of 40 years ago. The Republicans are obviously now literal nazis, fascists, kkk, the worst of the worst. That's all we have and they have no interest in changing that.

Many of us like Sanders because he is a vocal option that is at least left of the status quo. But there are also so many of us that want European left policies. We just can't get it to happen in a winner takes all style of representation. And capitalism.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Yes, unfortunately, I think the US has been a plutocracy for way too long already.

I think it's time for US citizens to admit that and change it for good. Of course, I'm fully aware that many Lemmy users have long realized this.

I really don't want to offend anyone with this obvious statement, but it's simply a fact that many people in the USA have been living like in a third world country for a very long time - even though the US is one of the richest countries in the world.

The reason for this is very obvious: shameless enrichment of the rich and powerful - hardly any difference to Russia imo - more humane means so far, yes, but the effect is basically the same.

This is not meant as an insult at all. I just can't believe how obvious the corruption in the USA is: Even in the highest offices. People like the President himself or Clarence Thomas (so on and so on) obviously no longer feel the need to be ashamed of anything - they don't even try to keep any of their criminal activities even remotely secret.

Our system is certainly not perfect and we also have major problems with corruption and also with the resurgence of fascist parties. But the level of open corruption in the USA is still mind blowing to me: The shameless insider deals of the president, the unscrupulousness of constitutional judges who so obviously rule against the constitution! I can't even begin to name even half of it.

Unconditional immunity for presidents? Imprisonment of innocent people without due process? Prisons for profit? I think that's wild and only possible in a failed state!

I mean, you really don't have to be an expert in constitutional law to realize that any even halfway decent democratic constitution would of course rigorously rule all this out.

I myself can only observe this from afar and helplessly feel sorry for all the good and still rationally thinking US citizen.

Of course, I have no solutions. Only the obvious thought that the US institutions have long been corrupted.

I wish you all the best and try to contribute at least something from afar - but unfortunately I have little hope, because I honestly believe that the US system is broken beyond repair.

[–] themadcodger@kbin.earth 11 points 1 day ago

No offense taken. We know we're "a third sold country in a Gucci belt". It's not that it started 40 years ago, but that's when it really took off, this speedrun to transferring wealth and power to the already wealthy. They purposely cut funding to education to make an easily manipulated populace, and have been using fear propaganda relentlessly for longer.

We also learned last time Trump was elected that most of our country was held together by gentlemen's agreements and the idea that our constitution never considered irrational people would be elected.

Our system is broken, and the ones with the power to do anything about it have no interest in doing so.

I honestly don't know how we recover from this. Stopping Trump is a bandaid. Rooting out the cancer… 🤷🏼‍♂️

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 70 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The Democratic leadership seems to have decided that the way to do this is “get out of their way and let them complete an irreversible takeover and descent into fascism”.

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[–] My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Tom Cotton, (R) cowardly shitbird from Arkansas, supporter of military-led crackdowns of domestic turmoil, approves this meme without reservation.

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[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 51 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Unfortunately the democrats are made up of assholes like Pelosi and Schumer who are just there to get rich.

[–] gamer@lemm.ee 18 points 1 day ago

Schumer

And eradicate the Palestinian people.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 13 points 22 hours ago

Schumer is there to, and I quote "make sure the left stays pro-Israel"

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[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago (18 children)

They won't. They'll make sure nothing fundamentally changes.

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[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 45 points 1 day ago (7 children)

And the Democrats won't do that unless the people make politicians fear the consequences of attempting a dictatorship.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

And people won't do that because a large well-funded security state stands between them and the political class.

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 31 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

You take the current sitting dictator drag them out by their toes from his Ivory tower string them up in Town square and let everybody look at them.

That's how it's always been done historically and that's how it's still done to this day it's very effective.

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[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 30 points 18 hours ago

The combination of billionaires and mass media control is literally a threat to the survival of the human species. Chomsky warned us a long time ago. We need to create mechanisms to protect ourselves. Networks like fox news shouldn't be possible.

[–] boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world 29 points 11 hours ago

Any democratic candidate preaching "forgiveness and healing" needs to be primaried. We need representatives who are willing to absolutely curb-stomp the fuck out a party that is effectively an occupying enemy force.

These are not people to "reach out" to. They are enemies to overcome.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (16 children)

Sorry, they're too busy trying to stop David Hogg.

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They held up little signs, begged for bipartisanship, and voted for Republican only written bills. I mean what more do you want from them!

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Shoulda done that, I dunno…a decade ago?

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wasn't the patriot act only opposed by like 1 senator? Our govt has long either supported or sympathized with authoritarians

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 12 points 20 hours ago

Any vote with that kind of bipartisan support is a sure sign the ruling class are fucking us over.

Incidentally, that near-unanimous vote came soon after Senators and Congresspeople had been receiving letters with anthrax in them. And that crime has never been solved. (Hint: it was probably instigated by Cheney).

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 24 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries still signal caution, urging patience and restraint.

These two weak, spineless, simpering cowardly weenies, and the rest of the Corporate Democrat Party, are a huge part of the problem. They represent what the Democratic Party has become, and the reason we are in this mess.

In 2020 we sent a very clear message to both parties that we wanted HitlerPig out, and MAGA crushed and punished - that was the primary motivation of the voters.

Biden should have had HitlerPig and all his henchmen rounded up literally on his first day, for supporting the Insurrection, if nothing else (and there was a lot more), and sent to Gitmo for extensive interrogation. Biden would have been cheered as a conquering hero had he shown such decisive leadership.

All the rest of the DC MAGAs should have been declared ineligible to hold office under 14A/S3, and removed, and many prosecuted. Any new Republicans brought in to replace them would have to be investigated for previous MAGA support, and determined if they were eligible to hold office. Then MAGA itself should have been declared a seditious terrorist hate group, and prohibited from existence.

It would take a while, and in the meantime, Dems would have enjoyed a huge majority in Congress to pass laws that would have codified issues such as Abortion. We saw during MAGA 1.0 how much of our government is on the honor syatem, and ripe for exploitation by those with no honor, and we could have fixed much of that.

Any subsequent MAGA uprisings should have been treated like the treason it is, and harshly suppressed.

Then Biden should have expanded the Supreme Court to 13-15 seats, and impeached Clarence Thomas.

And when all of that was done, we needed to go to Ukraine's aid full-force, crush the Russian goverment, and kill Putin, distributing his billions in ill-gotten gains to his victims. He is the ultimate force behind the rise in far-right extremism around the world, and his leadership needs to end.

And when that is done, it will be time to turn our efforts toward reigning in the Sociopathic Oligarchs, and returning them to their rightful place in the hierarchy. They are ruled by the government, not the other way around, and the best way to prove that to them is to heavily tax their wealth, and imprison them for any attempts to avoid it.

The current laws and the Constitution would have supported such bold action, but it would have taken courageous leadership to do it, and the Democratic leadership has been far too cowardly for far too long. So many opportunities were within our grasp, but were lost through cowardly Democratic leadership by Biden and Congress, following decades of weak leadership by Obama and Clinton.

We elected Biden, and gave him a Congressional majority, gave them a clear mandate, and demanded action, and they still refused to stem the MAGA tide, out of pure cowardice. It was a disgusting, embarrassing, humiliating performance, with the entire world watching. We have fully lost the respect and trust of the world, and our long-standing hegemony, and it will take decades to regain it, all because of cowardly Democratic leadership.

IF we ever have a presidential election again, the candidate that supports decisive action against MAGA is the one that will earn my vote. I keep hearing talk that we can't just run against HitlerPig, and I disagree. He and MAGA are literally the ONLY issue that matters. I have my favorite issues, like Medicare 4 All, and Campaign Finance Reform, but trying to re-establish a proper goverment with MAGA still gumming up the works, will be useless, and will only lead to them regaining power again, and resuming the destruction of Democracy on behalf of the Sociopathic Oligarchs. My personal priorities have to take a backseat to re-establishing a stable Democratic government, so we can then address our real issues.

IF we manage to regain power, we not only have to ferociously purge MAGA from the world, but we have to purge the cowardly elements from the Democratic party, and make them understand that they alone are responsible for defending American, and ALL Global Democracy.

[–] febra@lemmy.world 23 points 21 hours ago

If this is the mentality you're gonna approach this situation with, you're cooked. The demented orange asshole is already building a dictatorship and democrats barely give a shit. "Fearing the consequences" isn't something they do because there are no consequences as we've seen multiple times. You gotta make them fear for their lives. And you gotta give people a real alternative to the oligarchy that is the US.

[–] aramova@infosec.pub 21 points 1 day ago

Schumer will shake his finger at you vigorously with the glasses on his nose if you don't stop misbehaving

[–] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 20 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

The opposition didn’t beat ths Nazis. The allies did.

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[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

The DNC? Will never happen. They need to be afraid of the people and for all their bluster I've never seen them do anything but capitulate.

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[–] SpaceShort@feddit.uk 16 points 20 hours ago

Dictators deserve death.

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

They won't because republicans even if they form a dictatorship are less a threat to their interests and goals than the alternative.

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[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

People should not be afraid of the government, government should be afraid of the people.

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[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Please don't pawn this off to "democrats", some vague entity not connected to yourselves. It's each and every resident's duty to resist and fight back. Some politicians can't do anything when operating within the laws the fascists explicitly skirt.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 12 points 18 hours ago

We should have been able to count on the Democratic party for leadership, but most have run from their responsibilty, so we are on our own. We need to show them how determined we are to save our Democracy, and perhaps it will inspire them to grow a spine.

[–] Deathgl0be@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

We as citizens need to use our second amendment. It was created for this.

[–] theLaLiLuLeLol@kbin.earth 14 points 1 day ago

best they can do is a mild chastizing

[–] toadjones79@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (6 children)

It's going to be fun watching all of these traitors stand trials for their crimes.

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[–] AntelopeRoom@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Drag the FBI director in front of Congress

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Interesting, I'd never seen that spelling of "a fucking firing squad".

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[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Democrats will do nothing like they always do

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The DNC needs to go, it isn't reformable

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (6 children)

To employ the crude vernacular, no Democrat has the requisite reproductive organs necessary to solve MAGA, either testicles or ovaries.

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