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Good. We don't want conservatives here.
The problem is, we have to live next to them in our daily lives, and they us. Part of the reason why we're now spinning down the drain as a nation is because everyone retreated to isolated online bubbles instead of talking to their family, friends and neighbors.
What nation?
Exactly the kind "harumph, not ME" attitude I am describing.
Community made us the most successful species on Earth. But we have allowed capital and greed to form systems that pry us apart into echo chambers that are disconnected from the axioms we share and this has festered into a kind of hate so extreme that when someone tries to expose what's been done to us, it's attacked as "centerism" at best, or advocacy for making friends with nazis in worst-faith reactionism.
There is nuance in the non-digital world, and avoiding talking to or seeing the thoughts and ideas, no matter how dumb, of the people we're trained to be phobic of only makes the problem worse.
We have to get off the internet. People who get off the internet are going to be the actual thought leaders and unifiers of tomorrow.
I agree, but the point of my comment wasn’t that my country’s any better because it’s absolutely not. I was mostly just pointing out that on a global platform, it’s odd to say “our nation” without specifying which one
In general, or in left-leaning communities?
Self-built echo chambers and self-censorship seem to hinder our views, especially when it comes to being able to notice populist viewpoints and what the working class views are on politics.
The main issue comes from people not actually debating in good faith or their arguments boiling down to "I just don't think people that are different from me should exist."
Echo chambers aren't good sure, just look at the .ml instances, but allowing "free speech" and bigotry isn't good as well.
Yes, that is a problem when it comes to having discussions with others, especially if political tribalism is heavily involved.
It seems . ML has an echo chamber problem then.
It is free speech and our first amendment right; privately owned platforms do like to hinder and censor dissidents, with help from the government.
It has to be consistent because it is always used for one side first, then it is used against the other later on.
I think we have found out that many free speech absolutists are hypocrites and were using it as an excuse to help their profits.
I think Glenn Greenwald is an excellent example of someone with consistency when he shares his views and critiques, especially when you see his background:
Glen Greenward is extremely pro-Russia and continues to repeat debunked lies about Ukrainian biolabs.
This goes back to tribalism within politics and what propaganda apparatus we each prefer to consume on the daily.
I am always going to be highly critical of all governments, oligarchy-controlled media, and politicians.
The status quo is what is fed to the working class, but new media and the internet have helped fight the echo chambers and censorship we are born in; being pro-war and believing everything our governments tell us to believe will be much harder when there are multiple sources of information.
So do you think Putin’s corruption and oligarchy is bad?
This include the Russian and the United States government.
It’d be so much easier to talk to you if you stopped dog whistling and pussyfooting around what you’re trying to say.
The far right is fucking allergic to answering yes or no questions with a yes or no. It’s a good sign of how they operate in bad faith; there’s no interest in locating a point of discussion where we agree.
You are correct.
It is difficult to have discussions with people that do not share our views or way of thinking.
It takes a lot of time and effort IRL and on forums.
It’s the dog whistles that make it hard to tell what you are saying.
I am not sure which secret meanings I have in my comments.
I think it fundamentally goes back to:
I thought my way of commenting was simple; I see that I am wrong on that point, but I still strive to continue to learn and speak with those that do not think like me or that agree with my way of seeing the world.