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Well, just look at what happened to the Lemmy conservative communities.
It seems like most have been taken over and turned into only satire posts about conservatives; only a few are truly for conservatives, mostly in other federations, not leemmmy.world.
Good. We don't want conservatives here.
The problem is, we have to live next to them in our daily lives, and they us. Part of the reason why we're now spinning down the drain as a nation is because everyone retreated to isolated online bubbles instead of talking to their family, friends and neighbors.
What nation?
Exactly the kind "harumph, not ME" attitude I am describing.
Community made us the most successful species on Earth. But we have allowed capital and greed to form systems that pry us apart into echo chambers that are disconnected from the axioms we share and this has festered into a kind of hate so extreme that when someone tries to expose what's been done to us, it's attacked as "centerism" at best, or advocacy for making friends with nazis in worst-faith reactionism.
There is nuance in the non-digital world, and avoiding talking to or seeing the thoughts and ideas, no matter how dumb, of the people we're trained to be phobic of only makes the problem worse.
We have to get off the internet. People who get off the internet are going to be the actual thought leaders and unifiers of tomorrow.
I agree, but the point of my comment wasn’t that my country’s any better because it’s absolutely not. I was mostly just pointing out that on a global platform, it’s odd to say “our nation” without specifying which one
In general, or in left-leaning communities?
Self-built echo chambers and self-censorship seem to hinder our views, especially when it comes to being able to notice populist viewpoints and what the working class views are on politics.
The main issue comes from people not actually debating in good faith or their arguments boiling down to "I just don't think people that are different from me should exist."
Echo chambers aren't good sure, just look at the .ml instances, but allowing "free speech" and bigotry isn't good as well.
Yes, that is a problem when it comes to having discussions with others, especially if political tribalism is heavily involved.
It seems . ML has an echo chamber problem then.
It is free speech and our first amendment right; privately owned platforms do like to hinder and censor dissidents, with help from the government.
It has to be consistent because it is always used for one side first, then it is used against the other later on.
I think we have found out that many free speech absolutists are hypocrites and were using it as an excuse to help their profits.
I think Glenn Greenwald is an excellent example of someone with consistency when he shares his views and critiques, especially when you see his background:
Glen Greenward is extremely pro-Russia and continues to repeat debunked lies about Ukrainian biolabs.
This goes back to tribalism within politics and what propaganda apparatus we each prefer to consume on the daily.
I am always going to be highly critical of all governments, oligarchy-controlled media, and politicians.
The status quo is what is fed to the working class, but new media and the internet have helped fight the echo chambers and censorship we are born in; being pro-war and believing everything our governments tell us to believe will be much harder when there are multiple sources of information.
So do you think Putin’s corruption and oligarchy is bad?
This include the Russian and the United States government.
It’d be so much easier to talk to you if you stopped dog whistling and pussyfooting around what you’re trying to say.
The far right is fucking allergic to answering yes or no questions with a yes or no. It’s a good sign of how they operate in bad faith; there’s no interest in locating a point of discussion where we agree.
You are correct.
It is difficult to have discussions with people that do not share our views or way of thinking.
It takes a lot of time and effort IRL and on forums.
It’s the dog whistles that make it hard to tell what you are saying.
I am not sure which secret meanings I have in my comments.
I think it fundamentally goes back to:
I thought my way of commenting was simple; I see that I am wrong on that point, but I still strive to continue to learn and speak with those that do not think like me or that agree with my way of seeing the world.
Those other ones are the ones that have five different accounts being ran by the same person.
I think that is the norm on lemmy, though, not just conservative leaning accounts.
I don't think you're right but I'd be more then willing to look at any proof you have of that.
Oh, interesting!
What is interesting is your complete lack of proof.
All is well.
Hey there's one now.
imagine thinking jimmy fucking dore of all people is a "lefty" might as well make a user name ElonMuskIsAJain
It is always funny when people who criticize the status quo (Democrats, Bernie Sanders, AOC) from the left instead of the right are labeled the boogeyman.
Nice try, though.
You're not doing anything from the left.
I disagree, but thanks for sharing your views on the matter.
Edit:
Anyone can just look at any of the cums you moderate or comments you make and make up their own mind.
True.
I make it easy to see what I share and what my thoughts are on politics.
I try to keep and share my views in simple terms so it is easier to understand.
I enjoy your thoughts on the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Hahaha, thanks!
Yeah Ukraine definitely shouldn’t have been dressed like that around a big strong Russia.
I have shared posts, in the past, about Ukraine and Russia.
Feel free to have a look at them. FYI, they are not the status quo of United States military talking points; they are more on being dissident to the oligarchic view and their love for forever wars and maximizing profit in exchange for the continuation of the mass murder of the working class.
I’m not digging through your post history I know you’re strongly behind Russia but you’re not great at repeating their talking points so you’ve stopped.
This is the boogeyman again; goal posts keep changing and repeating.
Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein were also labeled Russian assets per the great Hillary Clinton and her group; if you can't beat them, smear them.
I am more on being anti-war and against the oligarchies' goals of pushing for the funding of forever wars that help their profits while dismissing the mass slaughter of the working class.
Nice try, though, but Hillary Clinton smears only work in certain circles.
I do not mind them, but I do try to call them out or just disagree.
Since forums like to ban and censor if you don't disagree with smears in a timely manner.
Can you say any less?
Hillary Clinton smears sound like what you’d find in her panties.
Interesting and weird, but a funny take, hahahaha.
Say less, fam.
Peace!
Oh yeah, Jill Stein is a Russian asset that’s why she sits next to him at dinner.
Bernie’s cool though.
All is well, peace!
Dude, you spammed a hit piece about sanders that claimed he doesn't support universal healthcare.
Now you're whining about a lack of representation for maga chuds.
I would encourage you to rewatch the video.
It seems you just read the title.
I don't click on spam.
No surprise there; label everything that is to your left or that goes against your thinking as spam or the boogeyman of your choice.
Self-built echo chambers and self-censorship are not things we should be proud of; they are unhealthy for our society.
Oh christ. Your whole thing is dumping links to political youtube. I have better ways to spend an hour than watching some algorithm-chasing dipshit dance around the fucking point so he can cram in as many mattress and vpn ads and "like and subscribe" shit as possible before getting to one sentence of content, consisting of a dull brainless take.
As for the hit piece on Sanders you keep trying to get me to waste my time watching: "Trust me, the headline is a lie" isn't a trustworthy message, which makes sense since you're not a trustworthy messenger.
I should have blocked you ages ago.
My point stands.
Self-censorship and self-built echo chambers are not something to be proud of; they are unhealthy for society.
Thanks for the small chat.
All is well.
Peace.