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Are people not paying attention, or just love to blame Democrats? They’re not asking for compromises. They’re making clear demands and getting voted down. Most recently, the House Judiciary Committee voted on the deportations. Democrats insisted that citizens be exempt from deportation. Republicans voted them down. This is what happens when you have full Republican control of our government. Keep bitching about the minority party fighting for you, and this is here to stay.
You want fresh blood in the seats? Me too. Vote in the congressional midterm primaries next year. We all have a say in who sits in those seats, but only the elderly retirees show up for the vote.
And they’ve been sitting on their hands for years even when they did have power. They routinely allow this shit to happen and it’s a little late to say them asking if maybe US citizens could be exempt shows how great they really are. Like, they should be demanding that any deportation needs far better scrutiny, and that would right there take care of the citizen part while also protecting so many others. It’s basically the meme we’re commenting on!
They aren’t protecting the US from shit, and it fucking shows. Your country is bad and you should feel bad, not be making excuses and complaining about Democrats not getting respect for unsuccessfully doing the bare minimum and then saying “guess that’s that.”
The only time in the last 30 years that Democrats had the same control that Republicans have now, was the 111th Congress. It was considered the most productive Congress since the 89th Congress.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress
Joe Biden took office directly after J6, allowed Garland to pull pud for four years, then got the biggest fucking stick an American president has ever gotten from the SC, and handed it to Trump.
I feel the Dems can take some blame.
Oh they’re far from ideal. They’re also far from the Republicans. Actively voting in congressional primaries is how we can make them into the opposition party we want.
Democrats should have demanded the removal of most of the republican party from office via the 14th amendment. Refuse to cooperate with this illegitimate government.
You talk about blaming people but that's a waste of our time. We actually want to make things better in the future, and to do that you need to look at how we got to where we are, and it's clear that we got here by corporate Democrats caving to Republican and corporate interests. That's been going on for the past 30 years. Of course the Republicans are more to blame than the democrats, but if you can't recognize that the old Washington Democrats are largely worthless sandbags, then there's no way you're going to make things better in the future. They simply lack the values that we have, they don't actually want to make life better for the average American, and that's never going to change.
If you want to ask what more the Democrats can do, I think there are a ton of good examples. They can obstruct the process in so many ways, they can have independent press conferences, they can generate a ton of PR by creating videos for Facebook and YouTube and TikTok. They can go visit prisoners held in Central America. Just go look at what the active newer generation of Democrats are doing, go look at what Bernie Sanders does, and ask yourself why we don't have hundreds of people doing that every day. Quite simply, we don't see that in large numbers because most of those people have s***** values. Most of them are out to protect their own power and their own seat and that's it.
The Democrats had the power that Republicans have now only for two years in the last 30. The 111th Congress was the most productive Congress since the 89th. They’re not all good. Far from it. That’s what primaries are for. If people actually showed up and voted, we wouldn’t be here at all.
Wikipedia:
Wouldn't it be nice if we had another FDR? A real firebrand, you know. Someone who actually wants to do something and isn't just filling a seat.
Executive orders are temporary measures. Biden spent his term on damage control, recovering from a pandemic and the damage Trump caused.
If republicans can do it as the minority. There’s no reason democrats can’t. McConnell was great at it. Just copy his playbook.
McConnell uses the filibuster, which the Senate could use to stop bills if any of these were bills passed in Congress. Unfortunately the only power they have against Trump’s executive orders is forcing a 15-day vote, which they’ve repeatedly done, while helping the ACLU bring these cases to the courts.
Voting isn't enough, a lot of us are going to have to start volunteering for Bernie Sanders and the DNC. Our Youth and the nonpartisans are lost and without direction moreso than previous generations.
They just love to blame the democrats
There will never be enough fresh blood.
Even if the democrats were all progressives and had 100% of the entire government things are too fucked to be fixed before the collapse.
Also, I vote in every primary and they always lose. Turns out we’re just a conservative country.
Only 22% of the nation voted for Trump. Many of them already regret their votes. Trump won on the apathy of the majority. Defeatism is simply fuel for that fire.
Well then he’s gonna win again because most people are apathetic and this country is doomed.
Serves me right for trying to do the right thing.
Your name is "Doomergod". You're just spewing doom for lols.
What a jerk.
I wish this was for the lols but I’m legitimately hopeless. I keep looking for an argument that this hopelessness isn’t accurate but I just get the same platitudes.
I would argue total hopelessness is inaccurate because things can change in ways we don't anticipate. The US will collapse as all empires have, and the world will become a better place, but it will be a rough transition and things will get extra fucked as climate change worsens. Many more people are working to make things better for each other than there are people working to fuck us over, they are just better organized right now.
But anyway the level of hope you feel is more likely to be dictated by whatever material reality you are experiencing. If you are actually looking for a logical argument against hopelessness in an effort to reduce it there are better ways.
This is what it has been my entire life. Since 2001 the world has been on a cyclical descent into ruin, missing every chance it had to do something, failing at ever call to action.
My personal reality is pretty awesome, though. I just want to keep them safe from the rest of the species as it descends into barbarism.
Spreading apathy through pessimistic defeatism is the right thing? In that case, I’d rather be wrong.
We got here through division and disengagement. Only unity and action will get us out.
I’ve been engaged for 25 years and we still got here anyway.
You think a constant stream of pessimism is engaging others? C’mon. You know what you’re doing.
I have yet to see evidence to the contrary.
The alternative is me drinking or shouting at traffic at it whizzes by.
Convince me there is literally any hope at all and I might stop.
Or just block me. I don't care anymore.
Not a chance. I’ll always be right here, to combat your cynicism with actionable criticism for improvement.
Fire away then. Make me believe we are not totally fucked
No offense, but I’m not trying to change your mind. I’ve been convinced you’re pretty content in your perspective for quite some time now. It’s about how your words influence others that concerns me. Most people are passively informed. If all they hear is Democrats are useless, they’re less likely to believe voting matters.
Didn’t think so. That’s how fucked we are. I’ve been trying to find a way out for months.
And if the democrats don’t want people to think they’re useless they should stop being so fucking useless.
What else should they do?
It's cute you think our fuckededness is just a matter of politics. We've painted our entire species into so many corners we have to be living in 11 dimensional space to hold them all.
And the worst part isn't the problems, it's that all the tools we have to fix the problems are broken and/or insufficient to solve them.
We are fucked on a global scale and there is no way out.
As for what the Democrats could do: Maybe don't schedule a vote for when a Senator isn't going to be around, and then don't call losing said vote a "win."
They’ll lose any simple majority votes in full attendance. They’ve only shut down supermajority votes, like the SAVE Act on Friday.
I agree the planet is fucked, and humanity’s demise is a question of when and how, and certainly not if. I don’t see a vote, a violent revolution, or quiet subservience changing that.
And now you're just as hopeless as I am. All this talk of politics is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Nah. I’m aware of ways we can slow the sinking and make for less suffering along the way. You can worry about deck chairs. Lol
Again: The tools we have to slow the sinking and limit suffering have been failing me my entire life, and that failure is accelerating.
You're wasting your time trying to bail with a dixie cup.
Do you think fighting evil is an overnight thing?
25 years is hardly “overnight”
The Nazis rose to power and were defeated in less time.
Someone doesn't know their history.
The nazi party was started in 1919. And they lasted until 1945. Which is a total of.... 26 years!
And that was with the special situation they had where Germany got blamed for all after ww1 essentially giving them way more power quicker.
But then when they failed on a global scale, the idealogy didn't die, as we can tell from the actual nazis still parading around today. And while they were scheming in the background they took note on what not to do again. Everything else has advanced and gotten smarter, why would you think the evil side hasn't done the same thing?
I was counting from the time Hitler took office in 1933.
But you can miss me with this Sisyphean struggle shit. I want to enjoy life and not spend it being frustrated, defeated, and harassed.
I like problems that can be solved. Which is why I hate people. By your measure we’ve been fighting evil since agriculture taught us the word “mine.”
So what about 2021 - 2022, when the Dems had the Senate, the House and the Presidency? Where was the push to codify Roe v Wade? Why didn't they put Trump in prison, pending trial? There were dozens of things they could have done when they had power. The don't want to do any of the things they SAY they want to do. They want to ask for campaign donations to fight the MAGAs but they don't actually want to fight. They're scammers.
100% of Dems voted in favor of Trump's first 2 picks for his cabinet, despite spending hours upon hours grilling them and talking about how unfit for the jobs they are.
It was only after they started getting outraged calls in the thousands per day compared to the usual 30 that they started voting against Trump's cabinet.
Look at Schumer and Pelosi. Or the party appointing a man practically on his deathbed over fresh blood to one of the most important positions in the party. A man who had to resign 4 months later, IIRC.
The Dems only offer up any real resistance when they're forced to by us. Otherwise, they vote no, voice a few complaints, and then go about their day like it's any other.
It’s our job to replace them in primaries if they don’t represent us. It’s also our job to inform them of our stance on issues, just as it’s their job to vote in line with those requests.
You just said they do their job, like it’s a bad thing. There are Republicans getting lambasted in town halls that go right back to DC and so whatever Trump wants. How is that the same to you?