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Trump, 79, Sends Jaw-Dropping Message to Families of Fallen U.S. Fighters
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why the fuck is a us citizen allowed to join a foreign military? if the us pivots and becomes allied with russia - do these murder hungry larpers become criminals or switch sides?
It's right there in the article, they volunteered.
why. are. they. allowed?
Because the law doesn't specify they can't
Individuals from other countries have been volunteering in other countries since time immemorial, dude. Enough American flyers went over to help the RAF they had their own squadron long before the US officially entered WWII. Before 1917, the Lafayette Flying Corps in WWI France. Also, ever heard of the French Foreign Legion? It's in the name. Hemingway, Spanish Civil War, the bell tolls for thee. Lord Byron fought for Greek independence from the Ottoman Empire. And untold numbers of people have joined battles in other countries, whether they were inspired by a cause or simply because they happened to be there.
well i didnt realize it was still fully legit and as much as i am against war and doing it for profit, this kind of fight is the less worst option.
i did not ask for examples i asked for why they are allowed.
yes you have lots of heroes and good guys and volunteering when needed is indeed important.
volunteering for money for college? no.
i do not trust the US to not pull the rug out from these guys. so … how is this legal and allowed and what happens when the US turns its back on ukraine? the US is happy to ICE people from Afghanistan who volunteered. What makes us so sure they’ll protect citizens who volunteered for Ukraine?
Most of them are veterans, ie retired US soldiers, college has nothing to do with it. Illegal would be if they volunteered to serve for an enemy country were were at war with. As for any profit, they're probably getting fed and housed by Ukraine but they aren't getting rich. Oh I guess their family is probably still drawing their veterans benefits, but we all know those aren't generous, especially under this administration.
Get your head out of your ass
soldier is a profession, a job. Working abroad is a thing.
If you think that government can tell people of this particular occupation what to do... Well, good luck telling a heavily armed crowd that they can't do something. That's a nice recipe for a coup de tat you got there. Just another cause for unnecessary infighting. Nobody wants that.
Every dictator would tell you that military is the last thing you should piss off
Does that answer your question?
STFU.
Since when is putting real bullets in real bodies larping? You're going to be in for a rude awakening if shit gets real in your neck of the woods, while you're convincing yourself it's pretend others will be playing for keeps.
because war is horseshit and horrible. ukraine citizens can fight. until the US formally commits troops, US people volunteering are just fucking larping.
People choosing to fight for Ukraine are anything but larpers. They US is already allied with russia and theyve still chosen to fight for Ukraine.
And the Ukrainians won't accept volunteers who don't know how to take care of themselves.
right. thats my point. they are fighting for the good guys here but the US could by all “rights” rug pull and make it illegal to volunteer to another nations army. if it isnt already??
Legionnaires don't care what a coward thinks. Go crack open a history book.
i reckon so. but those who volunteer to do war are just … doing profit making for capitalists anyway.
Just hope you're never in a situation where you have to make an existential choice of either letting yourself be killed or fighting. The profits of greedheads won't be a consideration at that point.
Ah I misunderstood you then. Yeah the us could do that but it would be a weird stance to take. They already discourage it and its legal to join a war from american soil. But as long as the Americans are going to another country and joining a war on behalf of another country they dont care.
US Citizens aren't. Specific types of US Veterans are. Specifically those with combat experience, or training experience. Technically I could volunteer, if Ukraine had any need of a Nuclear Reactor Electronics Technician, or the instructor of said ETs. However, seeing as how they don't have a Navy, they have no use for me, so I can't volunteer.
As far as their loyalties, they have basically sworn a new oath to Ukraine, and are there to see it through to the end of the Russian invasion. At this point the US may as well be Narnia as far as those guys are concerned. I suspect many of them have already come to terms with the fact that they are probably only coming home in a box.
That sounds like a pretty cool job!
It had its perks, but it honestly sounds a lot cooler than it is. Navy Nuke school has the highest dropout rate of any branch of the military, mostly for psych reasons. If anyone is even considering going to Nuke school, I tell them the best thing to do is breakup with their GF or BF. If you're not already committed enough to have already gotten married, the relationship probably won't survive Nuke school. You basically don't see them, and can't really talk with them for almost 2 years
That ain't no fucking joke. I think I know maybe 3 couples that made it through Power School and only one that are still together. One guy is married to his ex-wife's sister though, so maybe that counts.
I had a lot of insecurity (that led to some much needed humility) there that would have tanked any relationship I had. I was used to being the smartest guy in the room. I got there and I was painfully average with very little idea of how to work hard mentally. It was a rude but necessary awakening that made me an insufferable dick privately but helped me a lot in the long run.
Also got the best advice of my life from one of the instructors in A school. Most of the administration told us not to break the rules. This guy, every time we left for the weekend, told us "be discreet".
Didn't realize you were a nuke. That explains the drunk part, lol.
Yep. And my best friend. I was in the class after everyone was filing down their teeth over the Vampire the Masquerade larp they were all into. My buddy was in one of the first few full classes in Goose Creek rather than down in Florida.
I'm just wrapping up school for med lab and had the same experience, it consumed every waking second of my life for 2 years, can't wait to be free!
Please, pick up a history book.
"Forgotten Veterans: The Americans who died fighting for Canada in WWII"
"Alfred Parkyn was one of nearly 9,000 Americans who volunteered to fight for Canada before the U.S. had officially entered the Second World War."
Alfred Parkyn!!!! I never knew why they call them Parkyn lots!
Thanks, I'll see myself out...Mr, Parkyn thank you for your service, I am able to make dumb jokes online thanks to you.
Not to mention the Americans and others who fought fascism in the Spanish Civil War before it spread further and caused a worldwide tragedy.
George Orwell nearly got Kirked in that war. Luckily the bullet wound to his neck healed.
Orwell was famously not American at all though.
please learn to comprehend - i did not ask for examples i asked for why they are allowed.
yes you have lots of heroes and good guys and volunteering when needed is indeed important.
volunteering for money for college? no.
i do not trust the US to not pull the rug out from these guys. so … how is this legal and allowed and what happens when the US turns its back on ukraine?
I didn't give you a single example to answer all of your questions. You don't even know enough to form the right questions yet. That's why I told you to pick up a history book.
Thats not the takeaway from the example I gave. Its that war is murky. Geopolitics is a constant moving narrative. Its that principle can be more important than civil statute. Its that a nation of immigrants doesn't immediately divorce itself from its prior ethnic affiliations.
That is indeed a possible risk. You're going to be shocked to learn about American citizens that fought for Germany in WWI, and were welcomed back to American with no hard feelings.
"allowed"? Which unit of the US government do you see chasing US citizens into a warzone to stop them?
Again, history book. There is no one answer. History has examples of it going both ways and no consistent answer as to what the future holds.
So again, pick up a history book and look at how prior examples of this play out for not only US citizens, but also other citizens in other nations that we in the USA drew our legal inspiration from.
Along with the reading of history, if you could check your arrogance at the door, that would be appreciated too. Starting from a place Ignorance is no crime as long as you're looking to learn. It is possible to engage in conversations without being an asshole.
Why would it not be allowed, as long as they're not taking up arms against the US? Isn't the US supposed to be a free country?
am i allowed to fight against israel and the genocide they are doing? the “opinion” of the US there would seem to say “no.”
i would never fight for israel lol. they are doing the war crimes…
yup… i reread and realised i’d misread your comment and so deleted mine
I know a lot of people who would want to help defend Ukraine from those cunts.
yes. want and allowed are different.
Why would they not be allowed? Anyone should be able to go defend Ukraine from scum.
If you're not already trained and experienced, you're more a liability than an asset. Raise money instead, or if you have some skills, contribute in some other way.
The majority of those people were veterans. They didn’t just take anyone. It was an application process. Perhaps you would understand better if you read up on what actually happened who went.