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That particular Teflon cooking pan... I hit mixed feelings on it. I'm using it with wooden utensils only because I didn't want to eat Teflon anymore but I did want the non stick.
Anyway, that finish seems to protect the Teflon, but its like a file or sandpaper for any utensil. So I'm slowly eating my wooden spoon.
Newer versions of that pan use ceramics, not Teflon
It seems to be slightly less non stick, and more sensitive to quick temperature changes over time (hurts adhesion of the ceramics), but otherwise it's pretty solid and very safe
I thought there was a class action lawsuit against the company for faking "ceramic" coating while still using PTFE.
Oh nice!
Micro-Class-Action-Lawsuit payout for all of the micro-plastics in my body.
As if the payouts aren't already a joke.
No, they called it a non-stick non-toxic coating, they didn't originally claim ceramic.
They claim the new surface is ceramic (and it looks plausible from seeing how damaged pans look in photos)
This is what im vaguely aware of: There have been several lawsuits against ceramic non-stick pan brands, most notably a recent $2.5 million class action settlement with HexClad, which faced claims of false advertising about the presence of toxic chemicals like PFAS and PFOA. Additionally, a class action lawsuit against Blue Diamond, filed in 2020, alleged the pans were not as non-stick as advertised. A similar suit against GreenPan was filed in 2019 but was ultimately dismissed.
Why not just use something else like carbon steel or cast iron. They are both cheap and easy enough to maintain. My carbon steel frying pan is just as non-stick as Teflon, and actually gets better the more I use it.
I have cast iron pans too. When you have family members who'll make them rust it's easier to just not 🤷
If pure ceramic had a strong enough surface I'd prefer that, or stainless steel if it could maintain the same degree of non-stick.
There are ceramics too
Yeah, ceramics is the way to go. But they have to be Pb free.
Not like it's good to eat it or anything, but just to help with the worries, teflon is absolutely safe to ingest, it's a very stable molecule that don't interact with absolutely anything, it goes in and out basically intact. Of course it doesn't mean you can EAT it, but ocasional accidental ingestion due "scraping the bottom" are pretty safe.
When people say it's Toxic, they knowing or unknowingly are talking about the chemicals used to make it, mostly PFOA — perfluorooctanoic acid. These are nasty, and are present GLOBALLY, like everywhere, from the sea to the middle of deserts and even on the poles, that also includes our blood.
Totally, it's safe if you take care of the pan; however, if you ever get it above a certain temperature the coating will break down and that's when there's risk. Also as you said, how much forever chemicals are released into the environment during it's production, and might I also add that those bits that go in and out are also in the environment forever.
I suspect no one wants to hear about cast iron pans anymore lol.
what do you mean by that last point?
PTFE is considered a PFOAs molecule by ROHS3 and you can't use it in new design. I know this because I design stuff that occasionally may need high temperature plastics or other solids. The stuff is inert but its not good for you as the other commenter mentioned. Once heated to 500F or 260C, it may release toxic fumes that can cause flu-like symptoms, liver damage, cancer and disruption in development of kids.
It's a good thing I'm poor. My oven doesn't go above 450F.
Yeah I forgot to mention the heating bit, don't let it get too hot folks!
Cooking with Teflon pans has loads of evidence of killing pet birds nearby though so I'm not too sure it's as 100% safe as you say it is.
Birds are not real. The internet is never wrong.
Have there been any independent long term studies done on Teflon inside human bodies?
Every time someone's foaming at the mouth at how safe it is to eat Teflon, I can't help but to be reminder of the confidence of 1950's ad executives:
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There's a nice video about it from Veritasium.
Strictly speaking of the chemical side of things, teflon at it's normal temperature, is very inert and won't interact with anything inside your body, that's doesn't mean you can eat 1 kilogram of it and be fine.
The point was, if you accidentally scrap the bottom of a pan and ingest a tiny bit of the coating with the food, that won't make any big harm as most alarmists suggest.
I've heard the argument several times, yeah.
I still wouldn't eat teflon and have slowly changed to mostly stainless steel, which is superior in cooking if you know how to use it. Gonna get myself some cast iron as well but I'd like a larger kitchen to properly start kitting out. What I want in the end is silver cookware.
The point is, your "facts" are probably more correct than science in the 50's, but the fact is those "facts" are still essentially company propaganda to make people not panic over having eaten off of neurotoxins for 50 years.
Or like, are you so naive you don't understand companies like DuPont lying through their teeth?
https://pure.eur.nl/en/publications/historical-pfas-pollution-as-a-state-facilitated-corporate-crime-/