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[–] warm@kbin.earth 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm more disappointed the world renamed one thousand million from milliard to billion.

[–] chellomere@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

"the world"?

If you came over to the other side of the pond, you'd find that most of Europe is still using milliard, billiard, trilliard etc.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Anglocentrism strikes again!

[–] CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think that's one thing that's actually fine about the English language though. Constantly switching between something ending with "ion" to "iard" instead of just counting up doesn't make much sense to me personally.

Million (1A), Milliard (1B), Billion (2A), Billiard (2B) seems odd compared to Million (1), Billion (2), Trillion (3), Quadrillion (4)

I suppose the upside is that you don't have to learn as many prefixes, but it'll take another few years of inflation and wealth centralization (at least with currencies like the Euro, Dollar, or Pound) until Quadrillion is relevant in the financial sector and Mathematicians generally use letters. I suppose it makes other natural sciences a tiny bit easier, but there it's usually written in scientific notation anyways.

[–] Hoimo@ani.social 8 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The million-milliard system means a billion has double the zeroes compared to million, trillion has triple the zeroes, etc. In the English system, a quadrillion has 15 zeroes, so 4 times 3 plus 3? A quadrillion should have 4*6=24 zeroes.

[–] CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I must admit I still don't see the point. Whether it's double/triple/quadruple of a million or just 3*n+1 doesn't seem to matter much. Of course it'd be better if a "thousand" was just called a "million" then, since that'd remove the +1, but the million milliard system doesn't seem to have any notable advantages otherwise, especially considering every "iard" step is a .5 one, which isn't much cleaner.

1,000 -> 3x0+1 zeroes

1,000,000 -> 3x1+1 zeroes

1,000,000,000 -> 3x2+1 zeroes

vs

1,000,000 -> 1x6 zeroes

(1,000,000,000 -> 1.5x6 zeroes)

1,000,000,000,000 -> 2x6 zeroes

(1,000,000,000,000,000 -> 2.5x6 zeroes)

1,000,000,000,000,000,000 -> 3x6 zeroes

[–] guy@piefed.social 2 points 17 hours ago

In the long system: Million - 1 000 000¹ Billion - 1 000 000² Trillion - 1 000 000³

Short system: Million - 1 000² Billion - 1 000³ Trillion - 1 000⁴

It just doesn't follow as smoothly with the increase in power

[–] warm@kbin.earth 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Crazy assumption.

While the word is still in use in some languages, the short system has mostly replaced the long system for numbering, especially in the English speaking world.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/milliard#Translations

[–] chellomere@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Crazy assumption. Yes, it's true for the English speaking world, but it's much more nuanced outside of it. Here's a map from Wikipedia:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales#/media/File:EScalas_corta_y_larga.svg

Keep in mind that your link to wiktionary only covers languages where it is spelled exactly "milliard".

[–] TeNppa@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (3 children)

When translating to Finnish it's confusing sometimes:
Billion = miljardi = 1 000 000 000
Trillion = biljoona = 1 000 000 000 000
Quintillion = triljoona = 1 000 000 000 000 000 000
You can tell how bad a news site is when they translate billion to biljoona and thus making the amount 1000 times higher.

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You probably want double new lines in your posts. Or two spaces at the end of your paragraphs but that's usually a bit annoying to do.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or just \ at the end, like so

Texty text text \
Text

Becomes
Like this

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So you escape the newline and you get a newline? That's some black magic voodoo. But hey if it works. Much simpler to handle than double space since you can see them and your phone doesn't try to make them into period space instead of space space.

Newlines with double space (or space backslash apparently) also let's you have newlines in a quote block without exiting the block. I see a lot of people struggle with that on Lemmy. E.g.

> A quote with multiple lines
Will eat the the newline 

Or exit if you don't handle the newline

will render as:

A quote with multiple lines Will eat the the newline

Or exit if you don't handle the newline

So you want to do

> A quote with multiple lines \
Will eat the the newline \
Or exit if you don't handle the newline

A quote with multiple lines
Will eat the the newline
Or exit if you don't handle the newline

Or add space space at the end instead of space backslash.

[–] lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The inventors of Markdown thought they would do something devastatingly clever and eat newlines if the next line has content. That way, if you're writing Markdown in the Stone Age and your editor doesn't support soft-wrap (it's a stone tablet), you can do your own soft-wrap and Markdown will "helpfully" eat all the newlines (unless there are two or more).

Of course this has done nothing to help and instead caused chaos and confusion for anyone non-technical. Very clever

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 3 points 18 hours ago

It would be more useful if there were comments in markdown. Like, it's helpful when organising your writing and thoughts in LaTeX that you can write one line per sentence, double newline for end of paragraph. It becomes immediately clear when a sentence is too long and comments for collaborators (or yourself) are easier to handle than in something like Word or Google Docs. It's also simpler to move sentences around which is important for good writing.

[–] TeNppa@sopuli.xyz 3 points 18 hours ago

Thanks! Forgot to do that. Now edited.

[–] guy@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

The long system with milliard and billiard increases with every potens which makes sense. The short system on the other hand 🤷

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 20 hours ago

biljoona

Heh that's a funny word.