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I've only been abroad one time, and there were little gecko/lizard things everywhere, climbing up walls and scurrying across roads, and nobody cared. I was constantly fascinated but to the locals they're just kinda there.

Bonus question to anyone who visited the UK - was there anything that fascinated you but I'd be taking for granted?

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[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Honestly this needs to be more of things in the States. And the deposit cost needs to go up.

If companies were forced to retake their garbage, we'd see far less pollution.

[–] AlsaValderaan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It's not just that, they wash and reuse the bottles (without melting them down or anything)! Amazing stuff.

They're finally starting to put more stuff in them here opposed to plastic bottles, and I'm so glad for it.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

The US used to do that before the plastics industry (oil company derivatives) squashed it.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

they wash and reuse the bottles (without melting them down or anything)

Idk where you're talking about, but in Finland... That used to be the system, and the bottles which were actually washable were far sturdier than what we have now. Now it's all flimsy PET bottles which just get shredded and "recycled".

I used to work in a bottle room back when most deposits were glass bottles and sturdy plastics and only the cans got crushed not reused.

I was the guy in the backroom piling the bottles from a huge conveyor belt (glass bottles) to be organised in pallets. Could manage like 7 beers bottles in one hand, but that was pushing it and the most effective speed was 3-4 bottles per hand per move.

I liked the job but the employer was a massive cunt.

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This was because PalPa, the company responsible for maintaining Finland's recycling system was (and is) a corrupt heap of shit.

It's owned by the largest breweries and they used it for keeping smaller and foreign companies out if business. You couldn't get a right to use Finnish bottles –> You had to pay a steep punishment tax for using non-recyclable bottles.

They successfully argued that washing bottles from that many sources would be impossible to organize, so the EU required PalPa to start accepting crushable PET bottles, which are easy to produce without any active coöperation by PalPa.

PalPa(...tine?) was hoping that they could still somehow block this from happening, so they framed the change as Evil EU forcing Finland to stop washing bottles. And when the PET bottles were indeed accepted in the end, they dismantled the whole bottle washing system in Finland so that they wouldn't be held accountable for their lies.

So, it's the same thing that happened to our regional bus network (vakiovuorot), basically. And what's currently happening to our railways.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So, it's the same thing that happened to our regional bus network (vakiovuorot), basically. And what's currently happening to our railways.

Don't forget healthcare and dental. Kids don't get free dental anymore?

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's not because of an organization trying to make Finland ignore the EU legislation using strategies that then cause us to run headlong against a wall, though.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Oh yeah, that.

I love that we have nice systems, but I hate it we have so many people who are not willing to see any flaws in Finland.

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Happens in multiple countries. Germany, Netherlands, Belgium I know for sure. Probably elsewhere too.

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Putting more stuff in washable bottles than before happens in many places? Are you sure?

Oops, sorr. Austria

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

In Finland the deposit for bottles of one litre or more have a deposit of 0,40 €.

(And what many foreigners don't understand is that we are not anti-recycling, so it's not a problem that the deposit is inside the prices you see in the shop. So, if you see 1,59 € as the price of a bottle of lemonade, 1,59 € is what you pay. Many countries have a system where the deposit is added to the price so that people would think more negatively about it and they'd sell more of the bottles with the text "NO DEPOSIT!!" on them, so people coming from those countries are easily confused by not having to add anything to the prices in their heads.)