You can also just get a normal smoker and a wireless thermometer that works with RF, which has a range of like 700-1000ft, and while it has some theoretical security flaws it results in a situation that is infinitely more secure than a WiFi/app situation. Even if someone bothered to sniff the rf traffic what are they going to do, see the temperature of your brisket? Oh no

Additionally this way the smoker is basically invincible because it’s not digital and as long as you don’t let it rust out it will last forever. If you somehow break the thermometer it’s like $30 to replace but I guarantee you can find models that are somewhat repairable and have user replaceable batteries, which guarantee this thing doesn’t

[–] adubya@feddit.online 27 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Just waiting for the day an evil hacker leaks someone's smoker data to the neighborhood, exposing they cranked the smoker to 375° when they bragged about their brisket cooking 225° the whole time.

[–] quantumcrop@lemmy.today 15 points 22 hours ago

That sounds like the plot to an American Dad episode.

[–] habitualTartare@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago

The perfect brisket heist.

[–] rockstarmode@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

You make some good points.

I live a mile and a half from the ocean and run my smoker for long periods. It's really nice to monitor and change the temp while I'm drinking the beer you refer to from the sand. I make a few quick runs back up the hill to tend to things, but mostly I'm free to be elsewhere for the 12-ish hours the smoker is running. It's really nice, not a hard requirement, but really convenient.

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Expensive options: thermoworks smoke-x

1-200 depending on 2 or 4 channel version, legally can only be used in the us and Canada because they use a custom rf protocol. As a result the range is 1.24 miles. Thermoworks is pricey shit but it lasts long, can be calibrated, and generally is one of the most accurate cooking thermometers you can buy

(albeit much much much more expensive than a $10-30 k type thermocouple and a used reader for $50 that is way more precise and usually will do data logging) also granted for most people a $20-40 thermometer would be fine with like 300-500ft range

My issue with “smart” anything is not the inherent concept, it’s the execution 99% of the time. I have plenty of smart stuff in my house but it’s almost never convergence devices. I’ve learned that these types of devices are more than anything designed to be disposable trash. Designed as cheap as possible, cut as many corners, introduce as many security holes as possible, etc. we have 0 consumer rights so even if it’s strong they’ll change the tos after the fact when their profits fall and they need to make the line go up.

So it comes to this. I’m not opposed to “smart” devices. They just have to occur in a dumb, roundabout way. They have to work without being connected to the internet, or in some rare cases by being bridged to the internet via home assistant from an isolated vlan. If I want a smoker I can monitor on the fly I will look at something like that thermometer paired with a standard steel smoker that will last decades. If I need to adjust it remotely I will look at why I need this option first: is it realistic that I would just adjust it without checking the contents? If I would then check open source and if nothing exists make it. It sucks but this where our garbage profit driven society led us, to shitty products that fill landfills and waste resources

[–] rockstarmode@lemmy.world 1 points 57 minutes ago

Again, you make some great points, especially about profit motive and lack of strong consumer rights.

If I want a smoker I can monitor on the fly I will look at something like that thermometer paired with a standard steel smoker that will last decades.

When I'm not going old school with my stick burner I run a Yoder YS640S with a Fireboard controller. The Yoder is an extremely high quality pellet smoker which given proper maintenance will last longer than I'll be alive. It and the Fireboard are designed, built, and shipped from the US (where I live), which is also nice. I don't know exactly how Fireboard runs their cloud services, but from looking at the privacy policy and sniffing the unit's traffic (a few years ago) it looks like Google Cloud and Analytics. They also disclose that if you use the Fireboard outside of the US, that your data will be stored and processed in the US, which is interesting, but may be misleading.

Fireboard is an interesting company, they started out by making temperature monitors and blowers for retrofitting into home built smokers, which I think is pretty cool.

I had a fire unrelated to my smoker which destroyed the smart bits of the Yoder, and both Yoder and Fireboard customer support were excellent to work with to help me rebuild my smoker.

I'm not stanning for either of these companies, perhaps just explaining why I've opted to make some tradeoffs for the convenience this particular product offers.

If I need to adjust it remotely I will look at why I need this option first: is it realistic that I would just adjust it without checking the contents?

Yes. I'm primarily looking at internal temp curves. Sometimes that prompts a simple pit temp change, sometimes it means I need to interact with the contents like spraying or wrapping. I've cooked often enough on this unit to know what the contents look like and how they react to smoke given the internal and pit temp curves.

Generally speaking I agree with your take on garbage consumer products being designed to extract money from the consumer before crapping out early and being thrown away. I think I've done well to select the products I have to keep that from being the reality with my pellet smoker.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

My parents old farmer house had a smoke cabinet (wood chips heating). You put meat in, let it smoke and take smoked meat out, done. Though it makes a mess.

My point is, what do you need to monitor that for?

[–] rockstarmode@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Depending on the internal temperature curve I may need to change cook temps in the pit, which I can do remotely. I also monitor the curve to determine when to spray and wrap, and other activities, depending on what is smoking.