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[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 21 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (7 children)

The problem with almost every pro-piracy argument like this is that they fundamentally require a significant percentage of the population to disagree with it. "People who can pay will pay and I'm not taking anything from them" only works for as long as both the general population and retailers regard piracy as wrong and keep funding all those games, movies etc for you.

Heck, all you pirates should be upvoting anti-piracy posts like this, we're the ones keeping your habit funded...

[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The idea is that you support creators out of the appreciation and not because you're forced to.
This seems to work as a model for YouTubers and podcasters. They usually have most of their stuff available for free, and people pay them money, and more often than there is no reward for the money, other than satisfaction of supporting the creator.
This is obviously one example, and it only works for periodic installments, but it is a working alternative to the system, where people who don't want or can't pay don't do that

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This seems to work as a model for YouTubers and podcasters

No, it doesn't. They're still being paid by YouTube/Spotify a flat amount based on the number of views - which are being paid for by ads and premium subscriptions.

Which means: people pay (one way or another) first, consume the content later.

[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

a flat amount

Nope, the amount is anything but flat. For bigger youtubers the ad money start to be significant, and for bigger podcasters spotify pays something, but for the most, amount of money from ads is negligible.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Nah. Id pay artists if i could.

And in fact do tip them pretty well at the jobs they take to pay rent when im in LA.

What we need is for parasitic creativity destroying shit stain ip-troll ghouls to get the guillotine, so they arent parasiting on every fucking artist.

We need a society that values humanity and art.

Because as is, there kind of isnt a reliable systemic way to support them. Capitalism prevents it.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I hate IP trolls as much as the next person, but that feels almost like a non-sequitur

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Thats what studios are, though.

Thry don't make the art. People make the art.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You people behave like you believe that artists got gathered up under threat of violence, put into these companies and are being forced to work there against their will...

If they dont, they kinda don't get to do their art. It's a whole thing.

Id say 'or they starve/die on yhe street' but that's what they get service jobs for.

[–] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You forget the alternative mindset:

An active desire to see traditional ways of funding to disappear, and the media along with it.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 hours ago

Sure, we’d all like that, but pretending that piracy is some sort of noble way to bring about a collectivist creators’ paradise is yet more self-serving fantasy.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 10 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Nah, I want all those companies to burn. If they can't afford to make new stuff because of piracy then there won't be stuff to pirate. I am totally fine with that. There is a life to live beyond just consumption, you know?

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 6 points 7 hours ago

Nobody is forcing you to consume any of the media you feel you need to pirate.

Just live beyond consumption. You can do that, you know?

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 8 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The problem with almost every pro-piracy argument like this is that they fundamentally require a significant percentage of the population to disagree with it.

This assumes that people who are ok with piracy are also against paying for content. That's a nice fantasy and it makes anti-piracy people feel good about themselves, but it doesn't reflect reality.

People who can pay will pay and I’m not taking anything from them” only works for as long as both the general population and retailers regard piracy as wrong and keep funding all those games, movies etc for you.

This assumes that 'pro piracy' people are against artists getting paid for their work. Seeing as how pirates tend to purchase more legal content than the 'general population' that is clearly not the case.

There could be a million different reasons why someone might 'pirate' a piece of media, and simply not wanting to pay for it is usually pretty low on the list. That attitude also relies on the assumption that every single piece of content that is copied is something the 'pirate' would have paid for in the first place.

As an artist, my job is to inspire people, to make them feel, to share my experience with them. I have absolutely zero problem with someone who can't afford to pay for my work pirating it. I also appreciate the ones who do pay, but I would still be making art even if no one paid, because while the money is nice it's not the point of it for me. Id much rather someone copy a work of mine and enjoy it than not enjoy it because they couldn't pay for the privilege.

I understand that some 'artists' are in it for the money and that's fine. It doesn't mean I have to agree with them that they deserve to get paid for every eyeball that falls upon their work, regardless of the circumstance.

Heck, all you pirates should be upvoting anti-piracy posts like this, we’re the ones keeping your habit funded…

Have an upvote from me for being the hero we don't deserve and protecting the mega-corps bottom lines. Truly you are a modern day Jesus.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 3 points 8 hours ago

Thanks for your service